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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Yes, Germ. „einst“ would be a case in point for what Hannu might have had in mind. But the Danish example is not analogous to the Russian
one by Hannu, since both Danish sentences refer to the past protracting, as it were, into the moment of speech: the second one because you put it into the past („ved“), the first one is a good instance of what in Russian aspectology would be called „perfect
meaning“ (of pfv. aspect, see Hannu’s example with „ušla“). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Björn.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Hartmut Haberland [mailto:hartmut@ruc.dk]
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 12. Dezember 2018 21:15<br>
<b>An:</b> Wiemer, Bjoern <wiemerb@uni-mainz.de>; Hannu Tommola <hannu.tommola@uta.fi>; Raffaele Simone <rsimone@os.uniroma3.it><br>
<b>Cc:</b> lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org <lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> SV: [Lingtyp] Co-expression of future and past<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Further to Björn:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Danish<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hun er
<u>lige</u> gået ‚She hast just left‘<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Jeg var
<u>lige</u> ved at gå ‘I was just leaving’<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">On the other hand, German ’einst’ which can either mean ’a very long time ago’ or ‘in the very remote future’.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79">Hartmut Haberland</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79"><br>
Professor (MSO) emeritus<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Roskilde Universitet</b><br>
Institut for Kommunikation og Humanistisk Videnskab<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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DK-4000 Roskilde<br>
Telefon: +4546742841<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Fra:</span></b><span lang="DA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org>
<b>På vegne af </b>Wiemer, Bjoern<br>
<b>Sendt:</b> 12. december 2018 20:46<br>
<b>Til:</b> Hannu Tommola <hannu.tommola@uta.fi>; Raffaele Simone <rsimone@os.uniroma3.it><br>
<b>Cc:</b> lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org <lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org><br>
<b>Emne:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] Co-expression of future and past<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Is this really enantiosemy and not just a use of „now“, in which this time span around the speaker deixis can be conceived of as protracting
into the immediate future and the just accomplished past? That is, there is one and the same deictic center, and in interval-semantic terms (however formalized) there is no gap between this deictically defined time span anterior and posterior to it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Björn Wiemer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Lingtyp [<a href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org">mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>]
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Hannu Tommola<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 12. Dezember 2018 20:39<br>
<b>An:</b> Raffaele Simone <<a href="mailto:rsimone@os.uniroma3.it">rsimone@os.uniroma3.it</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org <<a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] Co-expression of future and past<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">In Russian the same enantiosemy can be observed with _sejchas_ 'now, presently, soon':<br>
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1. _ona tol'ko sejchas ushla_ 'she's just gone'<br>
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2. _ona sejchas pridet_ 'she'll be here soon'<br>
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Best,<br>
Hannu Tommola<br>
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Quoting Raffaele Simone <<a href="mailto:rsimone@os.uniroma3.it">rsimone@os.uniroma3.it</a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">In French the expression
<i>tout à l'heure</i> means both "earlier, just now" and "shortly, in a minute".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">RS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<pre><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">===============<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Emeritus Professor<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">HC Lund University<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Member of Académie Royale de Belgique<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">===============<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Attività e pubblicazioni // Activity and publications <a href="http://uniroma3.academia.edu/RaffaeleSimone">http://uniroma3.academia.edu/RaffaeleSimone</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Il 11/12/2018 16:07, E. Bashir ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">پرسوں</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> parsoN 'day before yesterday' or 'day after tomorrow', and tarsoN
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">ترسوں</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> 'two days in the past or two days in the future'.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> Seino van Breugel
<a href="mailto:seinobreugel@gmail.com"><seinobreugel@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:lauren.reed@anu.edu.au">lauren.reed@anu.edu.au</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:LINGTYP@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG">"LINGTYP@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG"</a>
<a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org"><lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 11, 2018 8:51 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] Co-expression of future and past</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">My colleague Alan Rumsey and I are working on a small sign language in Western Highlands, Papua New Guinea. The language has a marker which appears to
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