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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Dalabon has <i>buhkorreh-kun</i>, "a long time ago" or "in a long time". </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">But as suggested earlier I think it is better analyzed as a monosemy: "a long time from now" (either in the past or in the future). </p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of Hartmut Haberland <hartmut@ruc.dk><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 13 December 2018 4:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Wiemer, Bjoern; Hannu Tommola; Raffaele Simone<br>
<b>Cc:</b> lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] Co-expression of future and past</font>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Further to Björn:</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Danish</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Hun er
<u>lige</u> gået ‚She hast just left‘</span></p>
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<u>lige</u> ved at gå ‘I was just leaving’</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">On the other hand, German ’einst’ which can either mean ’a very long time ago’ or ‘in the very remote future’.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F4E79">Hartmut Haberland</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F4E79"><br>
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<b>På vegne af </b>Wiemer, Bjoern<br>
<b>Sendt:</b> 12. december 2018 20:46<br>
<b>Til:</b> Hannu Tommola <hannu.tommola@uta.fi>; Raffaele Simone <rsimone@os.uniroma3.it><br>
<b>Cc:</b> lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org <lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org><br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Is this really enantiosemy and not just a use of „now“, in which this time span around the speaker deixis can be conceived of as protracting into
the immediate future and the just accomplished past? That is, there is one and the same deictic center, and in interval-semantic terms (however formalized) there is no gap between this deictically defined time span anterior and posterior to it.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Best,</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Björn Wiemer.</span></p>
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<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Hannu Tommola<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 12. Dezember 2018 20:39<br>
<b>An:</b> Raffaele Simone <<a href="mailto:rsimone@os.uniroma3.it" id="LPlnk972634" class="OWAAutoLink" previewremoved="true">rsimone@os.uniroma3.it</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org <<a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" id="LPlnk873387" class="OWAAutoLink" previewremoved="true">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] Co-expression of future and past</span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">In Russian the same enantiosemy can be observed with _sejchas_ 'now, presently, soon':<br>
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1. _ona tol'ko sejchas ushla_ 'she's just gone'<br>
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2. _ona sejchas pridet_ 'she'll be here soon'<br>
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Best,<br>
Hannu Tommola<br>
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Quoting Raffaele Simone <<a href="mailto:rsimone@os.uniroma3.it" id="LPlnk410069" class="OWAAutoLink" previewremoved="true">rsimone@os.uniroma3.it</a>>:</span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">In French the expression
<i>tout à l'heure</i> means both "earlier, just now" and "shortly, in a minute".</span></p>
<p><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Best,</span></p>
<p><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">RS</span></p>
<pre><span lang="DE"> </span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="DE">Emeritus Professor</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="DE">HC Lund University</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="DE">Member of Académie Royale de Belgique</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="DE">Chevalier de l'Ordre des Arts et des Lettres</span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="DE">I-00146 Roma,Italy</span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="DE">Attività e pubblicazioni // Activity and publications <a href="http://uniroma3.academia.edu/RaffaeleSimone" id="LPlnk293365" class="OWAAutoLink" previewremoved="true">http://uniroma3.academia.edu/RaffaeleSimone</a></span></pre>
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<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:lauren.reed@anu.edu.au" id="LPlnk413877" class="OWAAutoLink" previewremoved="true">
lauren.reed@anu.edu.au</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:LINGTYP@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG" id="LPlnk285528" class="OWAAutoLink" previewremoved="true">
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 11, 2018 8:51 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] Co-expression of future and past</span><span lang="DE" style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:black"></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="DE" style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif; color:black">I am interested in hearing of any other examples you may be aware of where languages overtly mark both future and past with the same marker
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<pre><span lang="DE">Emeritus Professor</span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="DE">Chevalier de l'Ordre des Arts et des Lettres</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="DE">Università Roma Tre</span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="DE">I-00146 Roma,Italy</span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="DE">Attività e pubblicazioni // Activity and publications <a href="http://uniroma3.academia.edu/RaffaeleSimone" id="LPlnk850689" class="OWAAutoLink" previewremoved="true">http://uniroma3.academia.edu/RaffaeleSimone</a></span></pre>
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Professor emer. of Russian Language (Translation Theory and Practice)<br>
School of Language, Translation and Literary Studies<br>
FIN-33014 University of Tampere, Finland</span></p>
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