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line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Here is a non-IE example from North Saami (Uralic), disregarding the probable influence from its Scandinavian neighbors. ILL stands for the illative, the case for Direction and
Recipient, which could be (and earlier has been) labeled "dative" as well:</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;
line-height:115%;font-family:"Courier New"">Midjiide/Johanii
<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>lihkostuvai <span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>buot.</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;
line-height:115%;font-family:"Courier New"">1PL.ILL/Johan.ILL
<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>succeed.PST.3SG all</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;
line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">'We/Johan succeeded in everything.'</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;
line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">(cf. Norwegian
<i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">Alt lykkes for oss/Johan</i>.)</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;
line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Unlike in Scandinavian, a dummy subject usually does not occur:</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;
line-height:115%;font-family:"Courier New"">Midjiide/Johanii
<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>ii <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>lihkostuvvan
<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>oažžut <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>oktavuođa
<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>duinna.</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;
line-height:115%;font-family:"Courier New"">1PL.ILL/Johan.ILL
<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>NEG.3SG succeed.PST.PTCP get.INF contact.ACC 2SG.ACC</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;
line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">'We/Johan didn't succeed in contacting you.'</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;
line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">(cf. Norwegian
<i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">Det lyktes ikke for oss/Johan å ta kontakt med deg</i>.)</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;
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<b>Sendt:</b> onsdag 2. januar 2019 22.11<br>
<b>Til:</b> Ludwig Paul; lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org<br>
<b>Emne:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] Verbs of success with dative subject</font>
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<div id="x_yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1546455192577_20500">ِIn Urdu, for a person to be successful in doing something can be expressed as:</div>
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<div id="x_yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1546455192577_20496">X-ko Y-me~ kaamyaabii huii</div>
<div id="x_yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1546455192577_20499">X (person)-DAT Y(effort)-in success became</div>
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With best wishes,</div>
<div class="x_qtdSeparateBR" id="x_yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1546455192577_20502">Elena Bashir, Senior Lecturer in Urdu</div>
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<b id="x_yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1546455192577_20520"><span id="x_yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1546455192577_20519" style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Ludwig Paul <ludwig.paul@uni-hamburg.de><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, January 2, 2019 1:46 PM<br>
<b id="x_yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1546455192577_20522"><span id="x_yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1546455192577_20521" style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Lingtyp] Verbs of success with dative subject<br>
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Dear Spike,<br clear="none">
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I could not find the discussion or the answers to your question in the <br clear="none">
list, maybe this is a repetition: there is the German verbal <br clear="none">
expression "mir (Dat.) gelingt etwas", i.e. I am successful in (doing) <br clear="none">
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Best,<br clear="none">
Ludwig<br clear="none">
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Zitat von Spike Gildea <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:spike@uoregon.edu" id="LPlnk114988" class="OWAAutoLink" previewremoved="true">spike@uoregon.edu</a>>:<br clear="none">
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> Dear colleagues,<br clear="none">
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> I forward a query from my colleague, Jóhanna Barðdal, who is looking <br clear="none">
> for examples of predicates of "success” with non canonical subject <br clear="none">
> marking, in particular those that take a dative subject.<br clear="none">
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> We are working on Indo-European verbs/predicates with the meanings <br clear="none">
> 'succeed', 'be successful', 'make progress', 'turn out well', 'go <br clear="none">
> well'. The last one in the sense "he is doing well in his dance <br clear="none">
> class" or even "he is doing well in life”.<br clear="none">
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> Thank you in advance for indications of other places in the world <br clear="none">
> where we might find such predicates taking a dative subject!<br clear="none">
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> Best,<br clear="none">
> Spike<br clear="none">
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