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Dear Ponrawee,</div>
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some varieties of Romani (Indo-Aryan) of Slovakia and Hungary (and some Romani varieties possibly of other regions, too) allow the omission of spatial goal (and sometimes also stative location) marking.</div>
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<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background: var(--white);">In Kisbajom Romani (spoken in a village in southwestern Hungary),
</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">the preposition /ande/ "in, to"
</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background: var(--white);">may be omitted when it encodes
</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">goal or location </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background: var(--white);">with
</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">named inhabited localities, i.e. <span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;">towns and villages</span></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background: var(--white);"> (Bodnárová
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<a href="https://www.academia.edu/37054094/Vend_Romani_a_Grammatical_Description_and_Sociolinguistic_Situation_of_the_so-called_Vend_dialects_of_Romani" id="LPNoLP622040" style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">https://www.academia.edu/37054094/Vend_Romani_a_Grammatical_Description_and_Sociolinguistic_Situation_of_the_so-called_Vend_dialects_of_Romani</a><br>
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In Selice Romani (spoken in a village in southwestern Slovakia; my fieldwork), zero marking may occur with common institutional goals, e.g. /džas (andi) búti?/
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[go.PRES.2SS # into.DEF.F.SG # work] "are you going to (your) work(place)?" </span>or /džav (andi) iškola/ [go.PRES.1SG # into.DEF.F.SG # school] "I'm going to school". (Names of localities require overt locative case marking in this variety, e.g. /džav Požomate/
[go.PRES.1SG # Bratislava.LOC] "I am going to Bratislava".)</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of Victor Friedman <vfriedm@uchicago.edu><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 11, 2019 10:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Giorgio Francesco Arcodia; Ponrawee Prasertsom<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] Cases of loss of goal markers</font>
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<div class="PlainText">In southwestern Macedonian (and increasingly in colloquial Macedonian in general)<br>
goal & location, which in the standard language are realized by the same preposition (v/vo 'in, to' na 'on/at, onto/to' depending on the noun)<br>
& the preposition can be realzied as Ø<br>
e.g. odam vo Bitola 'I'm going to Bitola' > odam Bitola<br>
and also jas sum vo Tetovo [na teren] 'I'm in Tetovo' [in the field] > Jas sum Tetovo [na teren]<br>
NB teren 'field' as in 'field work', i.e. a place one goes to for professional reasons.<br>
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Victor A. Friedman<br>
Andrew W. Mellon Distinguished Service Professor Emeritus in the Humanities, University of Chicago<br>
Research Professor, La Trobe University<br>
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From: Lingtyp [lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org] on behalf of Giorgio Francesco Arcodia [giorgio.arcodia@unimib.it]<br>
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 20:45<br>
To: Ponrawee Prasertsom<br>
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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] Cases of loss of goal markers<br>
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Dear colleague,<br>
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Something like that happened in quite a few Northern Chinese dialects. Generally, however, while the goal marker (you could say it's a suffix on the verb) in itself disappeared, it generally leaves a trace on the verb root, in terms of tone change (something
like ablaut in Indo-European languages).<br>
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A couple of accessible references on this:<br>
<a href="https://hal-inalco.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-01283726/document">https://hal-inalco.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-01283726/document</a> (by C. Lamarre)<br>
<a href="https://brill.com/view/journals/bcl/8/1/article-p5_3.xml">https://brill.com/view/journals/bcl/8/1/article-p5_3.xml</a> (by myself).<br>
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Best,<br>
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Giorgio<br>
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Il giorno ven 11 gen 2019 alle ore 19:53 Ponrawee Prasertsom <ponrawee.pra@gmail.com<mailto:ponrawee.pra@gmail.com>> ha scritto:<br>
Dear all,<br>
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I am looking for languages where goal markers (case affixes, prepositions, etc. corresponding to English to) developed into zero, i.e. are lost. That is, from something like I go to school to I go school. Does anyone know of such cases?<br>
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Currently, I am aware of only one such case: goal preposition loss on Asia Minor Greek (Karatsareas and Georgakopoulos 2016), which reconstructs history from variation among dialects (se > se/∅ > ∅).<br>
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Ideally, I would like cases with attested historical data, but reconstruction or any other relevant data such as ongoing change etc. is also welcome.<br>
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Reference:<br>
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Karatsareas, Petros and Thanasis Georgakopoulos. 2016. From syntagmatic to paradigmatic spatial zeroes: The loss of the preposition se in inner Asia Minor Greek. STUF - Language Typology and Universals, 69(2), 309-340.<br>
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Yours sincerely,<br>
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Ponrawee Prasertsom<br>
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Bangkok, Thailand<br>
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