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<p>Dear all,<br>
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there is also our book on zero-marking of spatial relations in which we survey cross-linguistic data from 112 languages which show that Place and Goal are frequently affected by zero-marking - be it obligatorily or optionally. More often than not zero-marking of spatial relations occurs with place names whereas common nouns lag behind (somewhat). Our study is synchronic but it can be taken for granted that some of the instances of zero-marking are diachronic innovations.<br>
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Stolz, Thomas & Lestrade, Sander & Stolz, Christel. 2014. <em>The crosslingustics of zero-marking of spatial relations</em> (= STTYP 15). Berlin, Boston: De Gruyter Mouton. ISBN 978-3-05-006276-1<br>
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A follow-up study to our 2017 paper in Folia Linguistica will be available shortly:<br>
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Stolz, Thomas & Levkovych, Nataliya. 2019. Toponomastics meets linguistic typology: glimpses of Special Toponymic Grammar from Aromanian and sundry languages. <em>Onomastica Uralica</em> 11, 43-61.<br>
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We intend to continue our research in this area. Thus, comments are always welcome.<br>
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All the best. Thomas Stolz<br>
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Betreff: Re: [Lingtyp] Cases of loss of goal markers<br>
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<p>The omission of spatial goal (and location) markers with place names and other nouns used typically in spatial function is very widespread in the world's languages.<br>
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Until recently, there was no term for this phenomenon, but I now call it "differential place marking" (inspired especially by Stolz et al.'s 2017 paper mentioned by Grev Corbett, and by Jonathan Schlossberg's 2017 ALT talk on "local nouns" and the differential marking of place).<br>
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In my forthcoming paper "Differential place marking and differential object marking" (to appear in LTU/STUF; available on Academia.edu), I highlight the similarities with other kinds of differential marking:<br>
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It seems that in many (or most) languages that allow unflagged spatial goals (and/or locations), these occur especially or exclusively with "typical place nouns", most notably place names. The reason is nicely expressed by Karatsareas & Georgakopoulos in their 2016 paper (cited by <span style="letter-spacing:0.2px">Ponrawee Prasertsom):</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 9.000000pt; font-family: 'AdvOT4e5fbc10'">"The omission of</span> <span style="font-size: 9.000000pt; font-family: 'AdvOT2df93c3e.I'">[the goal preposition] "se"</span> <span style="font-size: 9.000000pt; font-family: 'AdvOT4e5fbc10'">therefore seems to be the preferred option in motion event utterances in which the Ground-encoding expressions display high degrees of informativity, and also possibly redundancy" (p. 326)</span></p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12.01.19 11:53, Vladimir Panov wrote:</div>
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actually, not only in Asia Minor, but also in colloquial standard Modern Greek goal and location markers are often dropped, e.g.
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<div>ime athina / pao athina</div>
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<div>'I am in Athens' / 'I am going to Athens'</div>
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<div>Concerning Viktor Friedman's comment on Macedonian, it makes sense to test if it might be a Balkan areal feature.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">пт, 11 янв. 2019 г. в 20:53, Ponrawee Prasertsom <<a href="mailto:ponrawee.pra@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">ponrawee.pra@gmail.com</a>>:</div>
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<div>I am looking for languages where goal markers (case affixes, prepositions, etc. corresponding to English <i>to</i>) developed into zero, i.e. are lost. That is, from something like <i>I go to school</i> to <i>I go school.</i> Does anyone know of such cases?</div>
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<div>Currently, I am aware of only one such case: goal preposition loss on Asia Minor Greek (Karatsareas and Georgakopoulos 2016), which reconstructs history from variation among dialects (se > se/<span style="color:rgb(84,84,84);font-family:arial,sans-serif">∅ > </span><span style="color:rgb(84,84,84);font-family:arial,sans-serif">∅).</span></div>
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<div>Ideally, I would like cases with attested historical data, but reconstruction or any other relevant data such as ongoing change etc. is also welcome. </div>
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<div>Karatsareas, Petros and Thanasis Georgakopoulos. 2016. From syntagmatic to paradigmatic spatial zeroes: The loss of the preposition se in inner Asia Minor Greek. STUF - Language Typology and Universals, 69(2), 309-340.</div>
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