<div dir="ltr">Dear Mark, dear everyone,<div><br></div><div>A recent article that may have what you are looking for is:</div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" style="">Vindenes, Urd. 2018. </font><font style="" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Cyclic renewal of demonstratives. </font><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><i>Studies in Language </i>42:3, 641–668. DOI: </span><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><a href="https://doi.org/10.1075/sl.17047.vin">https://doi.org/10.1075/sl.17047.vin</a></font></p></div></blockquote><div>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"><br></p><p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal">More general claims about the grammaticalization of demonstratives into other parts of speech can be found in the work of Holger Diessel. There's also a thread on this listserv from a year or so ago from Bernd Heine that had a number of replies with useful sources about possible cases of the genesis of demonstratives from other parts of speech. </p><p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal"><br></p><p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal">Best,</p><p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal">Jorge</p><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><font color="#0b5394" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="1">-------------</font></div><div><font color="#0b5394" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="1">Jorge Emilio Rosés Labrada</font></div><div><font color="#0b5394" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="1">Assistant Professor, Indigenous Language Sustainability</font></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:x-small;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Chair, </span><a href="https://www.linguisticsociety.org/about/who-we-are/committees/endangered-languages-and-their-preservation-celp" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:x-small" target="_blank">LSA Committee on Endangered Languages and their Preservation</a><br></div><div><font color="#0b5394" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="1"><br></font></div><div><font color="#0b5394" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:x-small">4-22 Assiniboia Hall</font></div><div><font color="#0b5394" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:x-small">Department of Linguistics, </font><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:x-small;color:rgb(11,83,148)">University of Alberta</span><font color="#0b5394" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="1"><br></font></div><div><font color="#0b5394" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="1">Tel: (+1) 780-492-5698</font></div><div><div><font color="#0b5394" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="1">Email: <a href="mailto:jrosesla@ualberta.ca" target="_blank">jrosesla@ualberta.ca</a> </font></div><div><font color="#0b5394" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="1"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="1"><span style="background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><font color="#0b5394"><b>The University of Alberta acknowledges that we are located on Treaty 6 territory, </b></font></span><b style="color:rgb(11,83,148)">and respects the history, languages, and cultures of the First Nations, Métis, Inuit, </b></font><b style="color:rgb(11,83,148)"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="1">and all First Peoples of Canada, whose presence continues to enrich our institution.</font><br></b></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 1:46 AM Joo Ian <<a href="mailto:ian.joo@outlook.com">ian.joo@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">In fact the attached studies shows that deictic systems tend to be iconic (high F2 for proximal, low F2 for distal), and when deictic terms are de-iconizied due to regular sound change, they are constantly reconstructed in order to fit
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<p class="MsoNormal">For example Portuguese <i>aquele</i> was derived from the combination of the prefix
<i>accu </i>and the Latin distal demonstrative <i>ill- </i>which, the study argues, was motivated by the low F2 of the vowel of
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<p class="MsoNormal">So deictic demonstratives are a good example of iconicity motivating sound and meaning change.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From Daejeon,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Ian Joo</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://ianjoo.academia.edu" target="_blank">http://ianjoo.academia.edu</a></p>
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<div>I was wondering whether anyone might have up-to-date information (i.e. from a recent-ish study) concerning the relative stability of demonstratives (referential modifiers and/or pronouns), both in terms of language-internal replacement by a lexeme and
in terms of language-external replacement by a loanword of the same category (though I'm more interested in the first one). </div>
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<div>Thanks in advance for any assistance,</div>
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