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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="en-SE" style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dan Slobin said: “Like Joan Bybee, I opted for
<i>grammaticization</i> for its economy and elegance”. The only thing I have against
<i>grammaticization </i></span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">is that in spite of its elegance, it can be a tongue twister for a non-native speaker like me, with three different fricatives and two different diphthongs
in a row at the end.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Btw, I remember that Microsoft Word used to tell you: “Avoid jargon words such as
</span><i><span style="font-size:12.0pt">grammatic</span></i><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">al</span></i><i><span style="font-size:12.0pt">ization</span></i><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">”.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">östen<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext"> Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>MM Jocelyne Fernandez<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 10 June 2019 16:50<br>
<b>To:</b> Aimée Lahaussois <aimee.lahaussois@cnrs.fr>; Dan I. SLOBIN <slobin@berkeley.edu><br>
<b>Cc:</b> lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] grammaticalized v grammaticized<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>This "equipping" was also actually implied in my use of the term "grammaticisation"– and I did collaborate with Auroux while being both members of the CNRS National Commission 30 years ago, although he may have preferred a still shorter form of the word!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Any way, not a mere whim of field linguists, the difference between "grammati(ci)sation" and "grammaticalisation" remains an essential one: the creation of grammar tools is only one of the explaining factors for the typological evolution of a language,
since it is not automatically validated by language users.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>M.M.Jocelyne Fernandez-Vest<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Le 10/06/2019 à 08:42, Aimée Lahaussois a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And for yet another usage of ‘grammatisation’: historians of linguistics use the term for the process of ‘equipping’ languages with tools such as grammars or dictionaries. Sylvain Auroux was a big promoter of the concept.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.persee.fr/doc/hel_0247-8897_1995_num_11_1_3396">https://www.persee.fr/doc/hel_0247-8897_1995_num_11_1_3396</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Aimée<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jun 10, 2019, at 5:00 AM, Dan I. SLOBIN <<a href="mailto:slobin@berkeley.edu">slobin@berkeley.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Just to muddy the waters a bit further, in the two volumes emerging from the 1988 Oregon conference (Traugott & Heine, 1991),<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Jim Matisoff went even further in his paper, "Areal and Universal Dimensions of Grammatization in Lahu (Matissof, 1991: 381):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">"The term <i>grammaticalization</i>, despite its heptasyllabic cacophony (the more concise
<i>grammaticization</i>, or even<i> grammatization</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">would be preferable) represents one of the most important phenomena in diachronic linguistics. Grammat(ic[al])ization is<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">inherently a diachronic concept."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Like Joan Bybee, I opted for <i>
grammaticization</i> for its economy and elegance, as I saw it; I continue to use that form, avoiding<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">the nuances that have emerged since between the erstwhile synonyms.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I appreciate Bernhard's placing of the emerging distinction between
<i>grammaticalization</i> and <i>grammaticization</i> in the context of<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">a general psycholinguistic process, citing Bréal and Eve Clark who elaborated the point I made in an earlier posting.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">The editors of the Oregon conference volume accepted all three variants as titles of individual papers.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Dan</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Elizabeth Closs Traugott & Bernd Heine (Eds.) (1991).
<i>Approaches to grammaticalization. </i>Vol. 1: <i>Focus on theoretical and</i></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt">methodological issues. </span>
</i><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Vol. 2: <i>Focus on types of grammatical markers.
</i>Amsterdam/Philadelphia: John Benjamins.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">James A. Matisoff (1991). Areal and universal dimensions of grammatization in Lahu.
<i>Ibid., </i>383-454.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Aimée Lahaussois<br>
Histoire des théories linguistiques<br>
CNRS & Université Paris Diderot<br>
01 57 27 57 78<br>
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Prof. Marie-Madeleine Jocelyne FERNANDEZ-VEST <o:p></o:p></p>
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