<div style="line-height:1.7;color:#000000;font-size:14px;font-family:Arial"><div>DEAR LINGTYP,</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size: 16px;"><b><i>>>> </i><span style="text-align: left; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; font-family: " Calibri="" font-style:="" normal="" font-variant:="" normal="" text-decoration:="" none="" word-spacing:="" display:="" inline="" white-space:="" normal="" orphans:="" float:="" none="" background-color:="" rgb=""><i>Is there anyone on this list that know of an example of Adj-Num-Dem-N being the most common order in a language?</i></span></b></span><br></div><div><b></b><br><span style="font-size: 16px;">In Chinese Putonghua, both Adj-[Num-Cl]-N and Adj-[Dem-Cl]-N are at least equally common compared to the order where Adj. is the closest to N, and in spoken Chinese they are dominant. The ordering of Adj-[Num-Cl]-[Dem-Cl]-N, unusual though, is also possible. The example: <i>Hong-hong-de san-kuang na-zhong pingguo</i> (red-REDUP-ATTR three-basket that-kind apple; Lit. 'three basket of that kind of apples'). </span></div><div><br></div><div><br><br></div><div style="position:relative;zoom:1"><div>Jeremy Tang</div><div>Institute of Linguistics, Chinese Academy of Social Sciences,</div><div>No.5 Jianguomennei Dajie, Beijing, China; 100732</div><div style="clear:both"></div></div><div id="divNeteaseMailCard"></div><br>At 2019-10-13 12:28:51, "Dryer, Matthew" <dryer@buffalo.edu> wrote:<br> <blockquote id="isReplyContent" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
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</span></span><!--[endif]--><b><span style="font-size:15.0pt;font-family:" Arial="">On the order of demonstrative, numeral, adjective, and noun<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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</span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:" Arial=""><a href="https://muse.jhu.edu/issue/39574"><span style="color:#284F84">Volume 94, Number 4, December 2018</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of Hedvig Skirgård <hedvig.skirgard@gmail.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday, October 13, 2019 at 12:03 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"<LINGTYP@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG>" <LINGTYP@listserv.linguistlist.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Lingtyp] Adjective word order cognitive universal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In a recent paper on word order and cognitive universals, Alexander Martin, Theeraporn Ratitamkul, Klaus Abels, David Adger and Jennifer Culbertson argue that there are certain cognitive constraints when it comes to the placement of numerals,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>"</i><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:" Arial="">First, the most common orders place adjectives closest to the noun, then numerals, then demonstratives (e.g., N-Adj-Num-Dem). Second, exceptions to this
are restricted to post-nominal position (e.g., N-Dem-Num-Adj, but not, for instance, Adj-Num-Dem-N)."</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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