<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130">Hey Joo,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130">There's a quasi debate about this in Pano languages. Tone is reconstructed in the Proto-Pano (or "Reconstructed Pano") by Loos, but many contemporary languages do not have it very often and when they do, it's often privative. I've analyzed Chacobo as a tonal language (H, 0 contrast), because those H tones are neither culminative and obligatory in the phonological word, but they tend to be, and a slight shift in the boundaries of the phonological word (which in my view would be more contingent on the linguist) and then they would be at least obligatory. If you found evidence that when there is more than one H-tone one is more prominent (I can't hear it), then maybe one of the tones is secondary stress. Whatever you say its a boundary case primarily because of prolific tone reduction rules (Meeussen and anti-Meeussen rules). Also, it turns out that length is a correlate of the privative high tone. At what point does the system become stress?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130">(if you want I can send you a paper on this topic in Chacobo)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130">Adam </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 8:36 AM Joo, Ian <<a href="mailto:joo@shh.mpg.de">joo@shh.mpg.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Dear fellow typologists,<br>
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Middle Korean had lexical tones, and they are well recorded in 15th century Korean written in Hangul, but in contemporary Korean, they are lost.<br>
Are there any other languages that experienced the loss of tone (tonothanasia?) whose written history keeps track of this loss?<br>
Or is Korean unique in this regard?<br>
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>From Jena, Germany,<br>
Ian<br>
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font face="times new roman, serif">Adam J.R. Tallman</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="times new roman, serif">PhD, University of Texas at Austin<br></font><div><font face="times new roman, serif">Investigador del Museo de Etnografía y Folklore, la Paz<br></font><div><font face="times new roman, serif"><font style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font>ELDP -- </font>Postdoctorante<br></font><font style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font>CNRS -- </font>Dynamique Du Langage (UMR 5596)</font></font><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>