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<p>I am aware that this idea is still wide-spread, but the putative
diachronic link between ergatives and passives, which primarily
stems from terminological imprecisions in early descriptions of
the history of ergativity in Indo-Iranian, has actually long been
discarded for that branch of languages. The patient orientation of
the participle in question when involving a transitive verb root
does not make the orignal resultative construction a passive. To
name only some of the arguments (and see the references and quite
a few other studies below for details): It is just as productively
formed from intransitives, where it has active interpretations.
With transitives, it is not derived from an active counterpart. <br>
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<p>Uta<br>
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<p>Haig, Geoffrey. 2008. Alignment change in Iranian languages. A
Construction Grammar approach. Berlin: de Gruyter.<br>
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<p>Hock, Hans Heinrich. 1986. P-oriented construction in Sanskrit.
In Bhadriraju Krishnamurti, Colin P. Masica & Anjani Kumar
Sinha (eds.), Structure, convergence, diglossia in South Asian
languages, 15–26. Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass.</p>
<p>Klaiman, Miriam H. 1978. Arguments against a passive origin of
the IA ergative, Chicago Linguistic Society: Papers from the 14th
Regional Meeting. 204–216.<br>
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<p>Reinöhl, Uta. 2018. Review of Eystein Dahl & Krzysztof
Stroński (eds.). 2016. Indo-Aryan ergativity in typological and
diachronic perspective. Journal of South Asian Languages and
Linguistics 5(1). 111-121.<br>
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<p>And a paper which is not out yet:</p>
<p>Casaretto, Antje, Gerrit J. Dimmendaal, Birgit Hellwig, Uta
Reinöhl & Gertrud Schneider-Blum. Accepted. Roots of
ergativity in Africa (and beyond). To appear in <em>Studies in
African Linguistics</em>.</p>
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<div dir="ltr">There is also a correlation noted at various places
in the literature between past/perfective and ergative
constructions (in languages with tense-aspect conditioned split
ergativity) and the diachronic link between ergatives and
passives.
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 at 18:33,
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<div>Yes, I found this discussed by Comrie in 1981, and
discussed it myself in 1994:<br>
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<div>Comrie, Bernard. 1981. Aspect and voice: Some
reflections on perfect and passive. In Philip J.
Tedeschi & Annie Zaenen (eds.),
<i>Tense and aspect</i> (Syntax and Semantics 14),
65–78. New York: Academic Press.</div>
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<div>Haspelmath, Martin. 1994. Passive participles
across languages. In Barbara Fox & Paul J. Hopper
(eds.),
<i>Voice: Form and function</i> (Typological Studies
in Language), 151–177. Amsterdam: Benjamins.
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But there must be more recent work about this as well.<br>
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Best,<br>
Martin<br>
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On 08.11.19 18:19, Sergey Lyosov wrote:<br>
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<p><span style="font-size:11pt"><span
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt"><span><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Working with
corpora of certain Semitic languages, I
noticed that passive verb forms are much
more frequent in the past tenses than in
present and future tenses. This is also my
impression of various languages with which
I am familiar but have not studied their
verbal systems. Does such cross-linguistic
feature exist? If yes, how do we explain
it?</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt"><span
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt"><span><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Best wishes,</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt"><span
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt"><span><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Sergey</span></span></span></span></span></p>
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