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<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;" class="">Most of us seem to agree that a language should be “described in its own terms”, and that a description of a language should “motivated by a language itself”, to use Martin’s phrase.
And that that means not imposing on a language categories like those from generative grammar discussed in this thread.</div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;" class="">But what does it mean to describe a language “in its own terms”? This brings up a range of theoretical issues apart from what set of grammatical categories should be used in its description.</div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;" class="">First, should one use even language-specific categories for grammatical description? This presupposes a building-block model of language, where complex constructions are built out
of lexical or morphological categories. Categories are defined distributionally, that is, by distribution of words or morphemes in larger constructions. But detailed distributional analysis shows that word/morpheme classes are not just language-specific but
construction-specific. In this view, one shouldn’t impose the building-block model of grammar on a language.</div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;" class="">Second, what is it that we are describing when we are describing “a language”? Linguists are trained to find patterns or generalizations in linguistic data, either naturalistic or
elicited (or both). We seek the “right” generalization, and our analyses are not supposed to “miss” a generalization. But another view is that one should describe a speaker’s knowledge about their language. Psycholinguistic research shows that not every speaker
has the same knowledge about their language. So the generalizations found by a trained linguist may be an imposition on a language description in terms of speakers’ knowledge.</div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;" class="">Another view is that “a language” is the product of the collective behavior of a speech community. Sociolinguistic research and research into sound production and verbalization shows
that grammatical expression is highly variable and probabilistically conditioned on a wide range of factors. In this view, “a language” as a single set of rules or generalizations, even for a single speaker, is an imposition on language description.</div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;" class="">“Describe a language in its own terms” doesn’t give much guidance for language description. In my opinion, a radical-constructional, usage-based analysis that also recognizes inter-individual
variation in linguistic knowledge and community-level variation makes the fewest impositions on language description. This is of course a theoretical position, though one that I believe has strong empirical support.</div>
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<div class="">On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:47 PM, Haspelmath, Martin <<a href="mailto:haspelmath@shh.mpg.de" class="">haspelmath@shh.mpg.de</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div style="direction: ltr; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12pt;" class="">The distinction between p-linguistics and g-linguistics is useful because it allows us to avoid potentially pointless debates about whether some purported "universal" category is really
there in some language and just get on with description and comparison. But I don't think this means "anything goes" in p-linguistics. I think we should favor more surfacy descriptions if the abstract categories require analytic shortcuts to get off the ground.
We should wonder whether our analyses in p-linguistics are just expositionally useful or whether they can be thought of as motivated generalizations across the grammar. To take an extreme example, I think it would be wrong to insist that a descriptions isn't
"typologically informed" because it does not refer to phases, little vP structures, movement operations etc. But what distinguishes the "phonological phrase" and other categories from the prosodic hierarchy from these other ingredients from generative linguistics? </div>
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I don't think there's any difference, other than perhaps the explicitness of the innateness claim. However, generative grammarians (especially those of the younger generation) often say that they don't want to commit themselves to an innateness claim, which
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So for some linguists, "typologically informed" may mean referring to "vP" or "uninterpretable features", while for others it may mean referring "phonological phrase" or "ergative alignment".<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
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But if this leads them to describe a language in a way that is not motivated by the language itself, it is not the right way to go about description (or p-theory). There is no reason to assume that "vP" or "phonological phrase" will be applicable to any language
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