<div dir="ltr"><div><br></div>In Tindi (East Caucasian), <div>1) (elevationally marked) demonstratives (or presentatives) index the gender of the addressee ; </div><div>2) imperative verb forms can index it, conveying politeness.<div><br></div><div>ssajħata agja-ra-j zinada r-oo ihwa-qoo.<br>S.(f) here.lower-npl-f cow.pl.nom npl-come.perf shepherd-post.el<br>« Saihat, here are the cows coming from the pasture. »<br></div><div><br></div><div>q'aj b-aχ-a-j!<br>furniture(n) n-take-imper-f<br>"You(f) buy furniture!"</div><div><br><div><br></div><div>Gilles Authier</div><div><br><div><br></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 8:15 AM Michael Daniel <<a href="mailto:misha.daniel@gmail.com">misha.daniel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi.</div><div><br></div>In Bagvalal, East Caucasian, some particles are indexical of the gender of the addressee. These particles apparently revolve on interactional categories involving the addressee (interrogation, shared knowledge, imperative) but are not (necessarily) referential in the sense indicated by Francoise. As the Basque allocutive, they are on the addressee's side, and not on the speaker's side as in Scott's examples, As far as I understand, this also happens in other East Caucasian languages languages of the Andic branch. See (Kibrik 2001: 174 - Bagvalinskij jazyk: grammatika, teksty, slovari) - a very short but very informative one-page discussion.<div><br></div><div>Michael Daniel</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">ср, 22 янв. 2020 г. в 03:30, Siva Kalyan <<a href="mailto:sivakalyan.princeton@gmail.com" target="_blank">sivakalyan.princeton@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>I would add that allocutive particles in Dravidian languages could be seen as a somewhat open class, which periodically absorbs nouns: e.g. Telugu -ayyā < ayya 'lord', and Tamil =sār < English "sir".<div><br></div><div>Siva</div><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 22 Jan 2020, at 11:23 am, Siva Kalyan <<a href="mailto:sivakalyan.princeton@gmail.com" target="_blank">sivakalyan.princeton@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div>Some Dravidian languages also have allocutive markers (though I've never seen them described as such). Telugu has at least =rā (informal) and -aṇḍi (respectful); Tamil has at least the following:<div><ul><li>=ḍā (informal masculine)</li><li>=ḍī (informal feminine)</li><li>=pā (intimate masculine)</li><li>=mā (intimate feminine)</li><li>=kā (intimate elder sister)</li><li>-ṅga(ḷ) (respectful)</li></ul><div>The "intimate" allocutive particles (my terminology) are historically contractions of kin terms (appā 'father', ammā 'mother', akkā 'elder sister'—other kin terms may also contract in this way, but I've only ever heard it with these three, the last one very rarely). Also, =mā and =pā don't exactly line up with female and male addressee, as =mā can also be used by a female speaker to a male addressee; also, =ḍā can be used when speaking to a child regardless of gender.</div><div><br></div><div>Siva</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 22 Jan 2020, at 8:35 am, Vladimir Panov <<a href="mailto:panovmeister@gmail.com" target="_blank">panovmeister@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Dear Scott,<br><br>Françoise is right about the allocutive. There is a paper by Anton Antonov i which this category is treated typologically:</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Antonov, Anton. 2015. Verbal allocutivity in a crosslinguistic perspective. <i>Linguistic Typology</i> 19(1). 55–85.<div><div style="line-height:1.35;margin-left:2em">
<span title="url_ver=Z39.88-2004&ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fzotero.org%3A2&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&rft.genre=article&rft.atitle=Verbal%20allocutivity%20in%20a%20crosslinguistic%20perspective&rft.jtitle=Linguistic%20Typology&rft.volume=19&rft.issue=1&rft.aufirst=Anton&rft.aulast=Antonov&rft.au=Anton%20Antonov&rft.date=2015&rft.pages=55-85&rft.spage=55&rft.epage=85"></span></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Vladimir</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">вт, 21 янв. 2020 г. в 12:18, Scott Delancey <<a href="mailto:delancey@uoregon.edu" target="_blank">delancey@uoregon.edu</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Bodo (Tibeto-Burman, NE India) has a set of particles, two used by men and two by women, which indicate that the conversation is friendly and informal. Reminiscent of Thai
<i>krap</i> and <i>khaa</i>, but with the opposite sense. Does anyone know if anyone has encountered such a category and given it a label? I need to decide what to call these, and would just as soon not make up a term if someone has already done it.</div>
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