<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Hi Alice,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">In Chini (Ramu family, PNG) there is a proximal vocative =ga and a distal vocative =i, though these only attach to people's names. (The vocative =ma that attaches to pronouns does not distinguish distance, however.)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Cheers</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Joseph</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 6:33 AM <<a href="mailto:lingtyp-request@listserv.linguistlist.org">lingtyp-request@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Send Lingtyp mailing list submissions to<br>
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2. Vocative markers expressing distance (Alice Gaby)<br>
3. Re: Vocative markers expressing distance (Harold Koch)<br>
4. Re: Vocative markers expressing distance (ARNOLD Laura)<br>
5. Re: The (ab)use of the term "theory" in (generative)<br>
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In the past few decades, there has been increasing evidence suggesting that<br>
the distribution of linguistic features among the world?s languages is<br>
influenced by processing principles of the human mind and brain and that,<br>
conversely, processing and cognition may be shaped by the specific<br>
linguistic experiences we are exposed to. Although it has not yet reached<br>
mainstream research, the cross-linguistic study of language processing and<br>
learning has received more attention in recent years.<br>
<br>
The *Crosslinguistic Perspectives on Processing and Learning* workshop<br>
(X-PPL) aims to fill this gap and provide a platform for cross-linguistic<br>
research on language processing and learning. X-PPL 2020 will be held at<br>
the University of Zurich, August 31 ? September 1, 2020.<br>
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We invite contributions for 20-minute talks on the interface of linguistic<br>
diversity and language processing, encompassing production, comprehension,<br>
and acquisition. Specifically, we invite contributions presenting new<br>
evidence on:<br>
<br>
- Whether and how grammars are shaped by (cognitive and neurobiological)<br>
constraints on processing, learning, and external pressures<br>
- Whether and how the different grammatical properties of linguistic<br>
systems might afford the application of different processing and learning<br>
strategies<br>
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We welcome in particular:<br>
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- Studies examining production, comprehension, or developmental<br>
phenomena in one or more language(s) chosen for differences in their<br>
grammatical characteristics<br>
- Experimental studies on under-researched languages providing<br>
implications for existing processing and acquisition theories<br>
- Studies providing processing-based or learning-based explanations of<br>
language change and typological distributions<br>
<br>
Keynote speakers:<br>
<br>
- Asli Ozyurek <<a href="https://www.ru.nl/mlc/people/asli-ozyurek/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ru.nl/mlc/people/asli-ozyurek/</a> <<a href="https://www.ru.nl/mlc/people/asli-ozyurek/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ru.nl/mlc/people/asli-ozyurek/</a>>> (Max Planck<br>
Institute for Psycholinguistics / Radboud University)<br>
- Elena Lieven<br>
<<a href="https://www.research.manchester.ac.uk/portal/elena.lieven.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.research.manchester.ac.uk/portal/elena.lieven.html</a> <<a href="https://www.research.manchester.ac.uk/portal/elena.lieven.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.research.manchester.ac.uk/portal/elena.lieven.html</a>>><br>
(University of Manchester)<br>
- Matt Wagers <<a href="https://people.ucsc.edu/~mwagers/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://people.ucsc.edu/~mwagers/</a> <<a href="https://people.ucsc.edu/~mwagers/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://people.ucsc.edu/~mwagers/</a>>> (University of<br>
California Santa Cruz)<br>
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Abstracts should be submitted as PDFs<br>
<<a href="https://easychair.org/conferences/?conf=xppl2020" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://easychair.org/conferences/?conf=xppl2020</a> <<a href="https://easychair.org/conferences/?conf=xppl2020" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://easychair.org/conferences/?conf=xppl2020</a>>>, no later than *15th<br>
April 2020*, and should not exceed one A4 page (one additional page for<br>
interlinear-glossed examples, references, and figures is allowed).<br>
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<br>
Organizers:<br>
<br>
- Carmen Saldana<br>
- Caroline Andrews<br>
- Sebastian Sauppe<br>
- Jekaterina Mazara<br>
- Balthasar Bickel<br>
- Sabine Stoll<br>
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Workshop homepage: <a href="https://www.comparativelinguistics.uzh.ch/en/events/x-ppl2020.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.comparativelinguistics.uzh.ch/en/events/x-ppl2020.html</a> <<a href="https://www.comparativelinguistics.uzh.ch/en/events/x-ppl2020.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.comparativelinguistics.uzh.ch/en/events/x-ppl2020.html</a>><br>
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Dear all,<br>
<br>
My student (Alan Ray) is looking for examples of vocative markers<br>
(morphological or otherwise) that express a distance distinction. For<br>
example, in Wik Mungkan (Pama-Nyungan, Australia), there are three vocative<br>
suffixes distinguishing proximal (-ang), medial (-(e)ey), and distal<br>
addressees (-(o)oy):<br>
<br>
kaath-ang<br>
mother-VOC.PRX<br>
'hey mother!'<br>
<br>
nint-al-ey<br>
2sg-PVS-VOC.MED<br>
'hey you!'<br>
<br>
niy-al-ooy<br>
2pl-PVS-VOC.DST<br>
'hey you!'<br>
<br>
We'd be grateful for any pointers towards similar and/or relevant data from<br>
other languages. So far, the only language we are aware of with a clearly<br>
morphological/lexical (two-way) distance distinction is Kugu Nganhcara. But<br>
Alan has found differences in stress, length, pitch, volume and/or vowel<br>
lengthening or “distortion” correlating with addressee distance in<br>
languages such as Arrernte, Kaytetye, Anmatyer, Wirangu, Nyigina,<br>
Nunggubuyu and Mangarayi (all from Australia). Alan's work focuses on<br>
Aboriginal languages of Australia, but we would be very interested to see<br>
analogous examples from elsewhere.<br>
<br>
I'll post a summary of responses to the list.<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance!<br>
Alice<br>
<br>
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Associate Professor of Linguistics and Applied Linguistics<br>
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 04:43:42 +0000<br>
From: Harold Koch <<a href="mailto:Harold.Koch@anu.edu.au" target="_blank">Harold.Koch@anu.edu.au</a>><br>
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Hi Alice<br>
For Kaytetye, where all words end in /e/ = schwa, I analyse the two so-called distortions as:<br>
-aye address = vocative ‘hey you!’<br>
-awe exclamative ‘hey, its X!’<br>
Harold Koch<br>
<br>
From: Lingtyp <<a href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>> On Behalf Of Alice Gaby<br>
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Subject: [Lingtyp] Vocative markers expressing distance<br>
<br>
Dear all,<br>
<br>
My student (Alan Ray) is looking for examples of vocative markers (morphological or otherwise) that express a distance distinction. For example, in Wik Mungkan (Pama-Nyungan, Australia), there are three vocative suffixes distinguishing proximal (-ang), medial (-(e)ey), and distal addressees (-(o)oy):<br>
<br>
kaath-ang<br>
mother-VOC.PRX<br>
'hey mother!'<br>
<br>
nint-al-ey<br>
2sg-PVS-VOC.MED<br>
'hey you!'<br>
<br>
niy-al-ooy<br>
2pl-PVS-VOC.DST<br>
'hey you!'<br>
<br>
We'd be grateful for any pointers towards similar and/or relevant data from other languages. So far, the only language we are aware of with a clearly morphological/lexical (two-way) distance distinction is Kugu Nganhcara. But Alan has found differences in stress, length, pitch, volume and/or vowel lengthening or “distortion” correlating with addressee distance in languages such as Arrernte, Kaytetye, Anmatyer, Wirangu, Nyigina, Nunggubuyu and Mangarayi (all from Australia). Alan's work focuses on Aboriginal languages of Australia, but we would be very interested to see analogous examples from elsewhere.<br>
<br>
I'll post a summary of responses to the list.<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance!<br>
Alice<br>
<br>
--<br>
Alice Gaby<br>
Associate Professor of Linguistics and Applied Linguistics<<a href="http://artsonline.monash.edu.au/graduate-research-programs/linguistics-and-applied-linguistics-program/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://artsonline.monash.edu.au/graduate-research-programs/linguistics-and-applied-linguistics-program/</a>><br>
School of Languages, Literatures, Cultures and Linguistics<br>
Monash University<br>
Victoria 3800<br>
Australia<br>
Ph: +61 (0)3 9902 4169 | Fax: +61 (0)3 9905-5437 | E: <a href="mailto:Alice.Gaby@monash.edu" target="_blank">Alice.Gaby@monash.edu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:Alice.Gaby@monash.edu" target="_blank">Alice.Gaby@monash.edu</a>><br>
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 08:21:36 +0000<br>
From: ARNOLD Laura <<a href="mailto:Laura.Arnold@ed.ac.uk" target="_blank">Laura.Arnold@ed.ac.uk</a>><br>
To: "<a href="mailto:alice.gaby@monash.edu" target="_blank">alice.gaby@monash.edu</a>" <<a href="mailto:alice.gaby@monash.edu" target="_blank">alice.gaby@monash.edu</a>>,<br>
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Dear Alice,<br>
<br>
In Ambel (Austronesian > South Halmahera-West New Guinea), e is the vocative used over short distances, and u is a used over greater distances. See p617 of the Ambel grammar (<a href="https://www.academia.edu/38010930/A_grammar_of_Ambel_An_Austronesian_language_of_Raja_Ampat_west_New_Guinea" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.academia.edu/38010930/A_grammar_of_Ambel_An_Austronesian_language_of_Raja_Ampat_west_New_Guinea</a>).<br>
<br>
All the best,<br>
Laura<br>
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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] Vocative markers expressing distance<br>
<br>
<br>
Hi Alice<br>
<br>
For Kaytetye, where all words end in /e/ = schwa, I analyse the two so-called distortions as:<br>
<br>
-aye address = vocative ‘hey you!’<br>
<br>
-awe exclamative ‘hey, its X!’<br>
<br>
Harold Koch<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
From: Lingtyp <<a href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>> On Behalf Of Alice Gaby<br>
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To: <<a href="mailto:LINGTYP@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG" target="_blank">LINGTYP@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG</a>> <<a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>><br>
Subject: [Lingtyp] Vocative markers expressing distance<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Dear all,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
My student (Alan Ray) is looking for examples of vocative markers (morphological or otherwise) that express a distance distinction. For example, in Wik Mungkan (Pama-Nyungan, Australia), there are three vocative suffixes distinguishing proximal (-ang), medial (-(e)ey), and distal addressees (-(o)oy):<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
kaath-ang<br>
<br>
mother-VOC.PRX<br>
<br>
'hey mother!'<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
nint-al-ey<br>
<br>
2sg-PVS-VOC.MED<br>
<br>
'hey you!'<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
niy-al-ooy<br>
<br>
2pl-PVS-VOC.DST<br>
<br>
'hey you!'<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
We'd be grateful for any pointers towards similar and/or relevant data from other languages. So far, the only language we are aware of with a clearly morphological/lexical (two-way) distance distinction is Kugu Nganhcara. But Alan has found differences in stress, length, pitch, volume and/or vowel lengthening or “distortion” correlating with addressee distance in languages such as Arrernte, Kaytetye, Anmatyer, Wirangu, Nyigina, Nunggubuyu and Mangarayi (all from Australia). Alan's work focuses on Aboriginal languages of Australia, but we would be very interested to see analogous examples from elsewhere.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I'll post a summary of responses to the list.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance!<br>
Alice<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
<br>
Alice Gaby<br>
<br>
Associate Professor of Linguistics and Applied Linguistics<<a href="http://artsonline.monash.edu.au/graduate-research-programs/linguistics-and-applied-linguistics-program/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://artsonline.monash.edu.au/graduate-research-programs/linguistics-and-applied-linguistics-program/</a>><br>
<br>
School of Languages, Literatures, Cultures and Linguistics<br>
Monash University<br>
Victoria 3800<br>
Australia<br>
<br>
Ph: +61 (0)3 9902 4169 | Fax: +61 (0)3 9905-5437 | E: <a href="mailto:Alice.Gaby@monash.edu" target="_blank">Alice.Gaby@monash.edu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:Alice.Gaby@monash.edu" target="_blank">Alice.Gaby@monash.edu</a>><br>
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 12:32:31 +0200<br>
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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] The (ab)use of the term "theory" in<br>
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There is also the use of "theoretical" as a would-be antonym to <br>
"descriptive" — with the latter often preceded by words such as "just" <br>
or "merely", in order to reinforce the assumption that being <br>
"theoretical" is somehow a higher or more worthy endeavor than being <br>
"descriptive". Since it is clearly impossible to describe any aspect of <br>
language without adopting some kind of theory (e.g. with regard to such <br>
basic stuff as what constitutes a segment when you're transcribing a <br>
text), the presupposition that theory stands in opposition to <br>
description is both confusing, as suggested by Martin, but also <br>
pernicious — the latter because it expresses a totalitarian attitude <br>
whereby if you're not adopting the "right" theory, you're not adopting <br>
any theory whatsoever.<br>
<br>
On 11/02/2020 12:38, Eitan Grossman wrote:<br>
> Hi all,<br>
><br>
> In oral comments and reviews, I encounter two main uses of "theory" <br>
> and "theoretical." One is simply an autonym of generative linguists, <br>
> as in "John only hangs out with theoretical linguists" or "Mary does <br>
> great fieldwork but we want to hire a theoretician."<br>
> You might also encounter something along the lines of "This abstract <br>
> makes some very interesting observations but does not reference the <br>
> theoretical literature, and it is unclear how it relates to theory."<br>
><br>
> The other use is something like "having a point (beyond describing <br>
> facts)" or "referencing general linguistic literature."<br>
><br>
> But in my experience, the first is by far the most common.<br>
><br>
> Eitan<br>
><br>
><br>
> בתאריך יום ג׳, 11 בפבר׳ 2020, 12:16, מאת paolo Ramat <br>
> <<a href="mailto:paolo.ramat@unipv.it" target="_blank">paolo.ramat@unipv.it</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:paolo.ramat@unipv.it" target="_blank">paolo.ramat@unipv.it</a>>>:<br>
><br>
> Hi everyone,<br>
> Martin H. has written that <<there is confusion also about ]...]<br>
> the relation between "typology" and "theory">>. I fully agree. But<br>
> Martin says further that <<the term "theory" can be used as a<br>
> count noun , or as a mass noun ("linguistic theory", "grammatical<br>
> theory">>. This sounds rather strange: I had always thought that<br>
> mass nouns are nouns such as 'sugar', 'blood', 'sand' etc. Can we<br>
> consider abstract nouns like 'philosophy','theology' or even<br>
> 'democracy' as mass nouns? Let alone by adding an adjective as in<br>
> "linguistic/grammatic theory". This is not the habitual use of the<br>
> term and sounds confusing.<br>
> Paolo<br>
><br>
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> Il giorno mar 11 feb 2020 alle ore 10:47 Haspelmath, Martin<br>
> <<a href="mailto:haspelmath@shh.mpg.de" target="_blank">haspelmath@shh.mpg.de</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:haspelmath@shh.mpg.de" target="_blank">haspelmath@shh.mpg.de</a>>> ha scritto:<br>
><br>
> I would talk about "confusion", not about "abuse", because<br>
> there are many different kinds of linguistic theories.<br>
> Moreover, the term "theory" can be used as a count noun (as in<br>
> the last sentence), or as a mass noun ("linguistic theory",<br>
> "grammatical theory"). Linguists rarely reflect on kinds of<br>
> theories, or on kinds of senses of the word "theory", and the<br>
> papers that Hartmut mentioned have not become well-known. So<br>
> there is a lot of confusion.<br>
><br>
> In my 2010 paper on "Framework-free grammatical theory"<br>
> (<a href="https://zenodo.org/record/814947" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://zenodo.org/record/814947</a>), I distinguished four<br>
> senses of "theory".<br>
><br>
> But there is confusion also about the relation between<br>
> "typology" and "theory": Quite a few people have contrasted<br>
> them as if they were different ways of doing linguistics, or<br>
> different parts of research, e.g.<br>
><br>
> Hengeveld, Kees. 1992. /Non-verbal predication: Theory,<br>
> typology, diachrony/. Berlin: Mouton de Gruyter.<br>
> Polinsky, Maria & Robert Kluender. 2007. Linguistic typology<br>
> and theory construction: Common challenges ahead. /Linguistic<br>
> Typology/ 11(1). 273–283.<br>
> Van Langendonck, Willy. 2008. /Theory and typology of proper<br>
> names/. Berlin: De Gruyter Mouton.<br>
><br>
> But on the other hand, it is clear that "atheoretical<br>
> typology" is impossible, so this usage is confusing. See this<br>
> recent blogpost, which proposes an alternative:<br>
> <a href="https://dlc.hypotheses.org/1915" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://dlc.hypotheses.org/1915</a><br>
><br>
> Martin<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 11.02.20 10:18, Hartmut Haberland wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Jün-Tin Wang 1973. ”On the representation of generative<br>
>> grammars as first-order theories.” In: Radu J. Bogdan and<br>
>> Ilkka Niinilouto eds. /Logic,/ /Language and Probability/.<br>
>> Dordrecht: Reidel, 302-316<br>
>><br>
>> Hans-Heinrich Lieb 1974. "Grammars as theories: The case for<br>
>> axiomatic grammar (Part I)". /Theoretical Linguistics/ 1: 39-115.<br>
>><br>
>> Hans-Heinrich Lieb 1976. "Grammars as theories: The case for<br>
>> axiomatic grammar (Part II)". /Theoretical Linguistics/3: 1-98.<br>
>><br>
>> *Fra:*Hartmut Haberland <<a href="mailto:hartmut@ruc.dk" target="_blank">hartmut@ruc.dk</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:hartmut@ruc.dk" target="_blank">hartmut@ruc.dk</a>><br>
>> *Sendt:* 11. februar 2020 09:33<br>
>> *Til:* TALLMAN Adam <<a href="mailto:Adam.TALLMAN@cnrs.fr" target="_blank">Adam.TALLMAN@cnrs.fr</a>><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Adam.TALLMAN@cnrs.fr" target="_blank">Adam.TALLMAN@cnrs.fr</a>><br>
>> *Emne:* Re: [Lingtyp] The (ab)use of the term "theory" in<br>
>> (generative) linguistics<br>
>><br>
>> Hans-Heinrich Lieb has written extensively about this in the<br>
>> 70s, also Jün-tin Wang. Hartmut<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Den 11. feb. 2020 kl. 07.12 skrev TALLMAN Adam<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:Adam.TALLMAN@cnrs.fr" target="_blank">Adam.TALLMAN@cnrs.fr</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Adam.TALLMAN@cnrs.fr" target="_blank">Adam.TALLMAN@cnrs.fr</a>>>:<br>
>><br>
>> Hello all,<br>
>><br>
>> Does anyone have any sources that discuss the abuse of<br>
>> the term "theory" in generative linguistics (or in<br>
>> linguistics generally)? I figure that a paper like this<br>
>> must exist given the deeply insightful comments that I<br>
>> have received by some reviewers.<br>
>><br>
>> best,<br>
>><br>
>> Adam<br>
>><br>
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