<div dir="ltr">Hi Adam,<div><br></div><div>I've been working on the tone system of Poko (Skou, PNG) where the language appears to have 0, L, M, H as tonal primitives, but L and H only ever surface as part of complex melodies (LM, MH, LH), which are generally realized as contour tones on monosyllabic roots and as tonal sequences on disyllabic roots. M can occur as a melody of its own. While LM or MH could at some (abstract) level be analyzed as simply L and H, on the surface, the M appears to be phonologically real (for instance, a docked floating H on a 0 root is surface-distinct from a MH contour). </div><div><br></div><div>This isn't exactly the same as what you're asking about, but it is another case of complex melodies or tones appearing in a language without the more basic melodies.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Laura</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 12:15 PM Adam James Ross Tallman <<a href="mailto:ajrtallman@utexas.edu" target="_blank">ajrtallman@utexas.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Hey all,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)">It's been suggested to me that the language I'm working on really makes a distinction between 0 vs. LH lexical marking, rather than 0 vs. H as I had previously thought. Looking at connected speech the evidence for this seems very strong and I'm starting to overcome my initial resilience to the proposal.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Has this been proposed for any other language? (i.e. a language that just has 0, LH or 0, HL and no corresponding lexical Ls and Hs). I want to know what the evidence looks like for other language? In my case it's primarily phonetic and I'm not really sure what strictly phonological evidence would look like.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Notice I'm not asking about pitch accents or intonational marking etc. But cases where it can be shown that the categories are really lexically specified.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Help would be appreciated, I hope everyone is well and healthy.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)">best,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:rgb(76,17,48)">Adam</div><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font face="times new roman, serif">Adam J.R. Tallman</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="times new roman, serif">PhD, University of Texas at Austin<br></font><div><font face="times new roman, serif">Investigador del Museo de Etnografía y Folklore, la Paz<br></font><div><font face="times new roman, serif"><font style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font>ELDP -- </font>Postdoctorante<br></font><font style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font>CNRS -- </font>Dynamique Du Langage (UMR 5596)</font></font><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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