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<div class="">The verb ‘to put, to place’ in M<b class=""><font size="4" class="">S</font></b>EA area is often associated with an aspectual meaning '<i class="">staying there, relevance after the action
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<div class="">Moreover to complete the answer about a potential borrowing or contact-induced meaning, notice that many Tibeto-Burman languages around have forms related to the same etymon ‘ta’, with the same grammaticalization.</div>
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<div class="">See also the map of the grammaticalisation of (’to put, to set’ > completed, resultative) in some SEA languages, from our book The
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<div dir="ltr" class="">Gyalrongic languages are of course in contact with both Sichuanese and Standard Mandarin, but this contact, at least for Japhug, is post-1949. I think that it is unlikely that this use of
<i class="">ta </i>is calqued from Chinese, especially since the range of meaning of this verb is not identical to that of Chinese 放 (see the online Japhug-French-Chinese dictionary for examples). However, I do not dispute that this possibility deserves to
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<div dir="ltr" class="">As for Adi, contact with Mandarin in Arunachal Pradesh is probably very limited.<br class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le sam. 28 mars 2020 à 13:03, <<a href="mailto:joo@shh.mpg.de" class="">joo@shh.mpg.de</a>> a écrit :<br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class="">Thanks to Guillaume and Mark for pointing that out. On the other hand, it seems to me that the two languages (Japhug and Abor) you mentioned are within or adjacent to Mandarin-speaking region (including Southwestern Mandarin), in common
with the MNEA languages I mentioned. Could it be that this polysemy is caused by the contact between Mandarin and its neighboring languages?</div>
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<div name="messageReplySection" class="">On 28. Mar 2020, 20:38 +0900, Mark Post <<a href="mailto:mark.post@sydney.edu.au" target="_blank" class="">mark.post@sydney.edu.au</a>>, wrote:<br class="">
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<div style="direction:ltr" class="">...or indeed elsewhere in Trans-Himalayan; Adi më- (ë is schwa) has the senses 'put; place' and 'release; let go'.</div>
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<div class="">The colexification of 'put' and 'release' is not restricted to this particular area; it is also found in at least some Gyalrong languages further south (Japhug
<i class="">ta</i> 'put' can be used in the sense of 'release, let ... get away with it' ="放过"), and I would not be surprised if it is found in other languages of Western Sichuan.<br class="">
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<p class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">I am currently writing a paper proposing Mainland Northeast Asia (MNEA) as a linguistic area, and I would like to know if there are any previous studies that have analyzed this region as a linguistic area.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
<p class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">The MNEA area I propose includes northern China, Mongolia, Korea, but not Japan, Sakhalin, and Russian Far East. One feature of this area, which I am currently working on with my colleagues, is that the languages spoken
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