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<div>To have the original script is certainly preferable and useful in some cases (Chinese, Japanese etc.), but not in others (Greek, Russian, Korean etc.). But I fail to see why, in times of Google, Worldcat, or Glottolog, it would be so difficult to find the original title of a given publication. An exact transliteration is usually all you need to find the original. On the other hand, the Chinese practice of giving a vague rendering of Western names with the help of idiosyncractic Chinese characters is much more problematic because it is almost impossible to find the original name through search engines etc. I agree with Eitan that the Generic Style Rules that leave the option of adding the original is a good choice.</div>
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<div>Andi</div>
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<div style="margin: 0 0 10.0px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 31. März 2020 um 11:01 Uhr<br/>
<b>Von:</b> "Hartmut Haberland" <hartmut@ruc.dk><br/>
<b>An:</b> "lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" <lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org><br/>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] Why cite non-Latin-script literature ONLY in Latin script?</div>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span>Dear Ian</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span>I agree with you and Christian.</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span>I guess the APA style guidelines are from a time when online search was not invented, not widely accessible or not practicable with other scripts than Latin script. We have to grow up!</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span>A connected problem is that many journals still stick to the obsolete practice of using initials instead of full names, which often makes names unrecognizable or irretrievable.</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span>This applies especially to Chinese names: when you read </span><span>»</span><span>Li, W.</span><span>«</span><span> (or even worse, </span><span>»</span><span>Wei, L.</span><span>«</span><span>) who would know that this is Li Wei? However, a similar problem arises with Danish names. Danes are often not known (in Denmark) by their last but their middle name (if they have one). Karen Risager Larsen is locally known as Karen Risager (she has dropped the Larsen long ago), Mie Femø Nielsen as Mie Femø, and Maj-Britt Mosegaard Hansen as Maj-Britt Mosegaard. Reading </span><span>»</span><span>Nielsen, M. F.</span><span>«</span><span> or </span><span>»</span><span>Hansen, M. M.</span><span>«</span><span> in a reference list is puzzling (there are at least as many Danes with the Name Nielsen or Hansen as Chinese with the Name Li). Using full names would help here.</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span>Hartmut</span></p>
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Fra: Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org> På vegne af Joo, Ian<br/>
Sendt: 31. marts 2020 09:27<br/>
Til: lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org<br/>
Emne: Re: [Lingtyp] Why cite non-Latin-script literature ONLY in Latin script?</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Dear Sebastian,</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">The APA style requires that it should be only written in Latin script:</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><a href="https://guides.library.uq.edu.au/referencing/apa6/works-in-non-English-scripts" target="_blank"><span style="color: windowtext;text-decoration: none;">https://guides.library.uq.edu.au/referencing/apa6/works-in-non-English-scripts</span></a></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">According to this webpage,</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">"If you use the original version of a non-English work, cite the original version. Non-Latin alphabets are not used in the reference list in APA Style, so the title needs to be transliterated (that is, converted to the alphabet you are using to write a paper), and then followed by an English translation, in brackets."</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Ian</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">From: Lingtyp <<a href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org" onclick="parent.window.location.href='mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org'; return false;" target="_blank"><span style="color: windowtext;text-decoration: none;">lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</span></a>> On Behalf Of Sebastian Nordhoff</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Sent: Tuesday, 31 March 2020 16:15</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: <a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" onclick="parent.window.location.href='mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org'; return false;" target="_blank"><span style="color: windowtext;text-decoration: none;">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</span></a></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] Why cite non-Latin-script literature ONLY in Latin script?</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">On 3/31/20 9:10 AM, Joo, Ian wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Dear all,</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> I would like to ask a question to everybody:</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> When citing literature written in non-Latin script, why do some</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> editors require it to be cited ONLY in Latin script?</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Hi Ian,</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">could you give examples of editors/publishers who require this?</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Best wishes</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Sebastian</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> For example, this is how I would cite a Chinese book, when writing an</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> article in English:</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> Xùliàn<span style="font-family: "Yu Gothic" , sans-serif;">旭</span><span style="font-family: "Microsoft JhengHei" , sans-serif;">练</span>Lǐ<span style="font-family: "Yu Gothic" , sans-serif;">李</span>./Láiyǔ yánjiū/<span style="font-family: "Microsoft JhengHei" , sans-serif;">倈语</span><span style="font-family: "Yu Gothic" , sans-serif;">硏究</span>. Zhōngguó xīn fāxiàn yǔyán yánjiū</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> cóngshū<span style="font-family: "Yu Gothic" , sans-serif;">中国新</span><span style="font-family: "Microsoft JhengHei" , sans-serif;">发现语</span><span style="font-family: "Yu Gothic" , sans-serif;">言研究</span><span style="font-family: "Microsoft JhengHei" , sans-serif;">丛书</span>. Zhōngyāng mínzú dàxué chūbǎnshè<span style="font-family: "Yu Gothic" , sans-serif;">中央民族大</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <span style="font-family: "Yu Gothic" , sans-serif;"> 学出版社</span>, Běijīng<span style="font-family: "Yu Gothic" , sans-serif;">北京</span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> As you can see, in both the original script (Chinese) and Latin script.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> But some editors require it to be:</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> Xùliàn Lǐ. /Láiyǔ yánjiū/. Zhōngguó xīn fāxiàn yǔyán yánjiū cóngshū.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Zhōngyāng mínzú dàxué chūbǎnshè, Běijīng.</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> But why would we not write the original script and ONLY write in Latin</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> script?</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> The point of citing literature is to enable the reader to go find and</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> consult it themself.</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> But when the author’s name is written as /Xùliàn Lǐ/, I have no idea</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> how that would be written in Chinese, thus making it more difficult to</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> find the literature when needed.</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> So what is the logical purpose of requiring the article to be cited</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> ONLY in Latin script?</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> The only logical reason I can think of is that it saves some space – ca.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> one line per citation. But is that a good enough reason to make things</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> harder for those actually wanting to find and read the cited work?</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> I would like to hear your opinion on this matter.</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> (I’m asking this question on Lingtyp mailing list, because our</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> subfield makes it necessary for some of us to make extensive use of</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> non-Latin-script literature.)</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> From Daejeon,</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> Ian</p>
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