<div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">There are similar "ideophones” in Chadic languages.
Newman (1968) calls them “adjectival intensifiers” in Hausa. Blench (2013)
refers to “colour intensifiers” in Mwaghavul. I treat them as a type of
ideophone in Barayin (Lovestrand 2019). </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Note that “ideophones” in Chadic languages typically have
adverb-like morphosyntactic properties.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Blench, R. (2013). Mwaghavul expressives. In H. Tourneux
(Ed.), Topics in Chadic Linguistics VII: papers from the 6th Biennial
International Colloquium on the Chadic Languages, Villejuif, September 22-23,
2011 (pp. 53–75). Cologne: Köppe.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Lovestrand, Joseph. (2019). Ideophones in Barayin. In <i>Topics in Chadic Linguistics X: Papers from
the 9th Biennial International Colloquium on the Chadic Languages</i>. Cologne:
Rüdiger Köppe Verlag.<span style="font-size:12pt"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Newman, P. (1968). Ideophones from a syntactic point of
view. Journal of West African Languages, 2, 107–117.</p>
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SOAS University of London</p></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 1:29 PM Östen Dahl <<a href="mailto:oesten@ling.su.se">oesten@ling.su.se</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I would agree with Martin here. I think ideophones can have different functions, so just calling them “ideophones” would be only half the story anyway.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>It is also worth mentioning that lexically specific intensifiers may start out with a transparent meaning which is later bleached as the intensifier generalizes.
</span><span lang="EN-US">In spoken Swedish, the noun
<i>jätte </i>’giant’<i> </i>was prefixed to <i>stor</i> ’big’ as a lexically specific intensifier, but is now frequently used with just any adjective, e.g.
<i>jättebra</i> ‘very good’. Prescriptivists were not happy with combinations such as
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Yes, they remind one of ideophones, but it seems that Alex François's term "lexically specific intensifiers" captures best what these forms are (though I would prefer "degree modifiers", to avoid confusion with
self-intensifiers).<br>
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It seems that "ideophones" are generally understood more broadly, because they do not have to be degree modifiers (and maybe more narrowly at the same time, because they have to be "marked", and "depict sensory imagery", according to Dingemanse:
<a href="http://ideophone.org/working-definition/" target="_blank">http://ideophone.org/working-definition/</a>).<br>
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It may be worth studying lexically specific degree modifiers more systematically across languages. Ekkehard König mentioned English "ice-cold", "crystal clear", "pitch-black", and German "hunde-müde" [dog-tired], "stock-dunkel" [stick-dark], and Jussi Ylikoski
mentioned Finnish "upo-uusi" (extremeley new) – these are usually treated as marginal phenomena, but the fact that such lexically specific degree modifiers are found on at least three different continents (Wolof, Mwotlap, English) may point to something more
general.<br>
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Martin<br>
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P.S. The term "adverb" is not wrong, but I try to avoid it, because it has been applied to a very heterogeneous range of phenomena.<br>
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a genetic feature) are lexically/constructionally restricted in one or the other way, so there is not much need to invent a new label for them besides "ideophone". Colour-specific ideophones can be found in all Atlantic-Congo languages I am familiarity with,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">You could check the work of Mark Dingemanse and the works he cites for an overview of most of the literature. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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I am currently working on what are called “adverbs” (see words un bold) in wolof literature. Wolof, spoken in Senegal (West Africa) has specific words that only work with some colors:
<i>white</i>, <i>black</i>, <i>red</i> and each word-adverb match only with its color, they are not
<span style="color:black">commutable</span>.<u></u><u></u></p>
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weex<b> tàll</b>: extremely white (it can't be whiter)<u></u><u></u></p>
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ñuul <b>kukk</b>: extremely black (it can't be more black)<u></u><u></u></p>
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xonq <b>coyy</b>: extremely red (it can't be more red)<u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Times New Roman ,serif",serif;color:black;background:whitesmoke">Others words adverbs go with state verbs and are specific to them as well. They are not commutable.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Times New Roman ,serif",serif">baax
<b>lool</b>: extremely nice (it can't be nicer)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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bees<b> tàq:</b> really new (nobody has ever used it)<u></u><u></u></p>
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dëg<b>ër këcc</b>: extremely hard (it can't be harder)<u></u><u></u></p>
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diis<b> gann</b>: really heavy (very difficult to carry)<u></u><u></u></p>
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fatt<b> taraj</b>: extremely blocked (it can't be more blocked)<u></u><u></u></p>
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fess <b>dell</b>: extremely full (it can't be fuller)<u></u><u></u></p>
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forox<b> toll</b>: really acidic (it can't be more acidic)<u></u><u></u></p>
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gàtt <b>ndugur</b>: really short (he can't be shorter)<u></u><u></u></p>
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jeex<b> tàkk</b>: completely finished, <span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">
.</span>..<u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Times New Roman ,serif",serif;color:black;background:whitesmoke">In Wolof they are called intensifiers but this term does not convince me because it can be confusing. They do not intensify the verbs.
These words mean that the state or action of the verb is at its end of completude.
</span>I would like to know if there are languages that work like that and what is the terminology used for this kind of construction. Can someone also recommend me new documentation on the definition of the concepts of verbs, adverbs, adjectives… in African
languages?<u></u><u></u></p>
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Thanks and regards.<u></u><u></u></p>
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Aminata <u></u><u></u></p>
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