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A follow-up to my previous comments on Finnish and Estonian: It appears that the self-published (and partly idiosyncratic)
<i>Handbook of Finnish</i> by Jukka K. Korpela quite nicely captures the essence of the Finnish phenomenon:
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<div class="">To add to Kellen’s remarks, we also find these things in Adi and Milang, two Trans-Himalayan languages spoken in Arunachal Pradesh, India. We call them “expressive intensifiers”, to capture their ideophone-like expressive quality, but distinguish
them both from the “four-syllable-expression”-type expressive one often finds in Southeast Asia (which also exist in Adi and Milang), and from ideophones proper (which also exist in Adi and Milang). It would of course be possible to expand either the class
of expressives or the class of ideophones (on a mostly functional basis) to include expressive intensifiers, but, well - they are certainly distributionally well-distinguished.</div>
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<div class="">It’s remarkable to see such a similar (almost identical) phenomenon in Wolof. We found the Adi and Milang cases striking since these languages are geographically close, but not genealogically close, while languages that are genealogically closer
to Adi (such as Galo) seem to lack this construction. In principle therefore, it looks contagious.</div>
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Modi, Y. and M. W. Post. In press 2020. ‘The functional value of formal exuberance: Expressive intensification in Adi and Milang.‘ In Jeffrey P. Williams, Ed.,
<i class="">Expressive Morphology in the Languages of South Asia</i>. London, Routledge.</div>
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<div class="">On 18 Jun 2020, at 23:25, Joey Lovestrand <<a href="mailto:joeylovestrand@gmail.com" class="">joeylovestrand@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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There are similar "ideophones” in Chadic languages. Newman (1968) calls them “adjectival intensifiers” in Hausa. Blench (2013) refers to “colour intensifiers” in Mwaghavul. I treat them as a type of ideophone in Barayin (Lovestrand 2019).
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Note that “ideophones” in Chadic languages typically have adverb-like morphosyntactic properties.</div>
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Blench, R. (2013). Mwaghavul expressives. In H. Tourneux (Ed.), Topics in Chadic Linguistics VII: papers from the 6th Biennial International Colloquium on the Chadic Languages, Villejuif, September 22-23, 2011 (pp. 53–75). Cologne: Köppe.</div>
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Lovestrand, Joseph. (2019). Ideophones in Barayin. In <i class="">Topics in Chadic Linguistics X: Papers from the 9th Biennial International Colloquium on the Chadic Languages</i>. Cologne: Rüdiger Köppe Verlag.<span class="" style="font-size:12pt"></span></div>
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Newman, P. (1968). Ideophones from a syntactic point of view. Journal of West African Languages, 2, 107–117.</div>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span class="" lang="EN-US">I would agree with Martin here. I think ideophones can have different functions, so just calling them “ideophones” would be only half the story anyway.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span class="">It is also worth mentioning that lexically specific intensifiers may start out with a transparent meaning which is later bleached as the intensifier generalizes.
</span><span class="" lang="EN-US">In spoken Swedish, the noun <i class="">jätte </i>
’giant’<i class=""> </i>was prefixed to <i class="">stor</i> ’big’ as a lexically specific intensifier, but is now frequently used with just any adjective, e.g.
<i class="">jättebra</i> ‘very good’. Prescriptivists were not happy with combinations such as
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<b class="">För </b>Martin Haspelmath<br class="">
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Yes, they remind one of ideophones, but it seems that Alex François's term "lexically specific intensifiers" captures best what these forms are (though I would prefer "degree modifiers", to avoid confusion with
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It seems that "ideophones" are generally understood more broadly, because they do not have to be degree modifiers (and maybe more narrowly at the same time, because they have to be "marked", and "depict sensory imagery", according to Dingemanse:
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http://ideophone.org/working-definition/</a>).<br class="">
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It may be worth studying lexically specific degree modifiers more systematically across languages. Ekkehard König mentioned English "ice-cold", "crystal clear", "pitch-black", and German "hunde-müde" [dog-tired], "stock-dunkel" [stick-dark], and Jussi Ylikoski
mentioned Finnish "upo-uusi" (extremeley new) – these are usually treated as marginal phenomena, but the fact that such lexically specific degree modifiers are found on at least three different continents (Wolof, Mwotlap, English) may point to something more
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P.S. The term "adverb" is not wrong, but I try to avoid it, because it has been applied to a very heterogeneous range of phenomena.<br class="">
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than a genetic feature) are lexically/constructionally restricted in one or the other way, so there is not much need to invent a new label for them besides "ideophone". Colour-specific ideophones can be found in all Atlantic-Congo languages I am familiarity
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I am currently working on what are called “adverbs” (see words un bold) in wolof literature. Wolof, spoken in Senegal (West Africa) has specific words that only work with some colors:
<i class="">white</i>, <i class="">black</i>, <i class="">red</i> and each word-adverb match only with its color, they are not
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weex<b class=""> tàll</b>: extremely white (it can't be whiter)<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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ñuul <b class="">kukk</b>: extremely black (it can't be more black)<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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xonq <b class="">coyy</b>: extremely red (it can't be more red)<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<span class="" style="font-size:12pt; line-height:150%; font-family:"Times New Roman ,serif",serif; background-color:whitesmoke; background-position:initial initial; background-repeat:initial initial">Others words adverbs go with state verbs and are specific
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<span class="" style="font-size:12pt; line-height:150%; font-family:"Times New Roman ,serif",serif">baax
<b class="">lool</b>: extremely nice (it can't be nicer)</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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bees<b class=""> tàq:</b> really new (nobody has ever used it)<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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dëg<b class="">ër këcc</b>: extremely hard (it can't be harder)<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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diis<b class=""> gann</b>: really heavy (very difficult to carry)<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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fatt<b class=""> taraj</b>: extremely blocked (it can't be more blocked)<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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fess <b class="">dell</b>: extremely full (it can't be fuller)<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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forox<b class=""> toll</b>: really acidic (it can't be more acidic)<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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gàtt <b class="">ndugur</b>: really short (he can't be shorter)<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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jeex<b class=""> tàkk</b>: completely finished, <span class="" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">
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<span class="" style="font-size:12pt; line-height:150%; font-family:"Times New Roman ,serif",serif; background-color:whitesmoke; background-position:initial initial; background-repeat:initial initial">In Wolof they are called intensifiers but this term does
not convince me because it can be confusing. They do not intensify the verbs. These words mean that the state or action of the verb is at its end of completude.
</span>I would like to know if there are languages that work like that and what is the terminology used for this kind of construction. Can someone also recommend me new documentation on the definition of the concepts of verbs, adverbs, adjectives… in African
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