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Peter, are there actually linguistics papers published in Arabic? Is
Portuguese still being used to write about African languages? (It
seems to me that only English and French are relevant for African
linguistics these days.)<br>
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But to the larger point: Some Europeans may be proud of the various
other (European) languages they can read, but de facto, young
linguists are not competitive if they publish in other languages.
And certainly, papers in general linguistics usually have zero
impact if they are not written in English.<br>
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Sad as it may be, this is the reality of the 21st century. We may
deplore it, but we will hardly be able to change it. (What we *may*
be able to do is change the name we use for our common language:
Globish.)<br>
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Martin<br>
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P.S. Thanks to Nigel and Harald for the additional info on
"agreement" – really useful!<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 26.06.20 um 13:21 schrieb Peter
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<div dir="ltr">With all due respect, I find it incredible that
someone could write: "publishing new papers in languages other
than English. I personally have strong reservations here.
Linguistics is such a complicated matter and it is often so
difficult to exactly understand others. I think one should not
make the problem of mutual understanding even larger by
publishing in languages other than English (unless there is
absolutely no escape). ... If you publish in languages other
than English then you need a sort of hierarchy of which
languages are considered publishable (German, French, Russian ?,
Latvian ??) and which are not".
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<div>There are hundreds of excellent research papers in
linguistics and related fields published annually in languages
like Chinese, Japanese and Arabic, much of which never pierces
the consciousness of English-only researchers because of
attitudes like having language hierarchies composed entirely
of European languages. Sheesh.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 10:58,
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<p>Dear all,</p>
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<p>if I may add another perspective to this. I think passive
knowledge of other languages is, of course, important and
if a paper does not cite an important paper on the topic
written in a language other than English that is, of
course, a good reason for sending the paper back for
revision.</p>
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<p>However, a very different topic is publishing new papers
in languages other than English. I personally have strong
reservations here. Linguistics is such a complicated
matter and it is often so difficult to exactly understand
others. I think one should not make the problem of mutual
understanding even larger by publishing in languages other
than English (unless there is absolutely no escape). Even
more, perhaps, research English itself should also be
different from the native English in that one should try
to avoid dialectal, non-transparent idiomatic expressions,
write in short sentences, etc.</p>
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<p>If you publish in languages other than English then you
need a sort of hierarchy of which languages are considered
publishable (German, French, Russian ?, Latvian ??) and
which are not. I think this issue is difficult to resolve
in a fair way.</p>
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<p>Best,</p>
<p>Ilja<br>
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<p><span
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lang="FR">Et si l'article porte sur le grec
moderne, il doit souvent se référer à la tradition
grammaticale grecque (Tzartzanos) ou française
(Roussel, Mirambel). </span><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"
lang="EN-US">Restricting oneself to discourses in
<i>one</i> language is myopic. Most linguists
really need to read more than just two or three
languages to keep up with the relevant literature,
but how many do?</span></p>
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lang="EN-US">(Robert E. Wall said in the famous
McCawley Festschrift, “More people can make out
what it is about in French than actually read
it”.)</span></p>
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lang="EN-US">To take a concrete example: <i>Acta
Linguistica Hafniensia </i>was founded in 1939
and its first issue contained papers in German,
French and English. Today, it still calls itself
an ‘international journal’, but now practically
all papers are in English, with very few
exceptions. However, if you take a random issue
(51(1), May 2019), apart from one paper
specifically dealing with English, there are
references to literature in German, French, Greek,
Norwegian, and Swedish. So linguists are at least
not passively monolingual.</span></p>
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<p><span
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si l'article est sur une langue romane mais les
références jugées indispensables sont écrites en
allemand ou en danois … ?</span></p>
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lang="DE">Je pense que oui… Actually, the
same applies to articles on (a language from)
other language groups (e.g., Slavic) or
subgroups (e.g., Scandinavian)…</span><span
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 26. Juni 2020 09:35<br>
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<p><span lang="DE">Si l'article est sur une
langue romane et que les références jugées
indispensables sont écrites dans une langue
romane, il me semblerait devoir être rejeté,
oui.</span></p>
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<p><span lang="DE">On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at
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lang="DE">A related question to Ian's
that I have sometimes thought about
concerns the languages a researcher
should be able to read in order to
access relevant scholarship. Should,
for example, a paper be rejected or
revisions asked for if someone writing
in English on a general linguistic
topic has not cited relevant work
written in a language other than
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