<div dir="ltr">Can we please be careful with making statements like "African linguists will simply not have the chance to encounter so many languages in which other linguists have written relevant work. (In Africa, even big languages like Hausa and Yoruba are rarely used for academic purposes, it seems.)".<div><br></div><div>Africa is a large and diverse continent and there are many colleagues there who are familiar with relevant literature in English, French, Arabic, Portuguese since these are the languages of higher education and research in their countries. </div><div><br></div><div>Peter</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 10:43, Martin Haspelmath <<a href="mailto:haspelmath@shh.mpg.de">haspelmath@shh.mpg.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    Maybe if you're Danish (like Hartmut and Nigel), or were otherwise
    raised in some small (and rich) European country, then understanding
    many of these languages is kind of natural.<br>
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    But somehow asking *all linguists* to be like this seems Eurocentric
    to me. Korean/Chinese linguists (like Ian Joo) or African linguists
    will simply not have the chance to encounter so many languages in
    which other linguists have written relevant work. (In Africa, even
    big languages like Hausa and Yoruba are rarely used for academic
    purposes, it seems.)<br>
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    On the other hand, it's also ethnocentric to only cite work by
    American linguists and somehow assume that there is nothing else of
    relevance.<br>
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    So what's the solution? I think it must be (i) practical
    universalism (only use English/Globish), combined with (ii)
    awareness of the parochialism of English-language traditions.<br>
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    As an example of the latter, consider the term "agreement": As I
    realized only after reading Cysouw (2011)
    (<a href="https://epub.ub.uni-muenchen.de/17668/1/thli.2011.011.pdf" target="_blank">https://epub.ub.uni-muenchen.de/17668/1/thli.2011.011.pdf</a>), this
    term did not exist in linguistics before Bloomfield (1933), and the
    relevant concepts didn't exist earlier either. Same with
    "grammatical relation" (due to Chomsky 1965), "focus" (due to
    Chomsky 1970), and quite a few other terms. Natural as these terms
    seem to us, they may not be the results of scientific discoveries
    that we made, but mostly due to the spread of the English language
    (and the influence of a few linguists working at rich U.S.
    universities).<br>
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    Universalism and parochialism are in a certain tension, but I think
    we really need to adopt both at the same time if we want to progress
    in our scientific understanding of language(s).<br>
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    Martin<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="FR">Et si l'article porte sur le grec moderne, il doit
            souvent se référer à la tradition grammaticale grecque
            (Tzartzanos) ou française (Roussel, Mirambel).
          </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Restricting oneself to discourses in
            <i>one</i> language is myopic. Most linguists really need to
            read more than just two or three languages to keep up with
            the relevant literature, but how many do?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">(Robert E. Wall said in the famous McCawley
            Festschrift, “More people can make out what it is about in
            French than actually read it”.)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">To take a concrete example:
            <i>Acta Linguistica Hafniensia </i>was founded in 1939 and
            its first issue contained papers in German, French and
            English. Today, it still calls itself an ‘international
            journal’, but now practically all papers are in English,
            with very few exceptions. However, if you take a random
            issue (51(1), May 2019), apart from one paper specifically
            dealing with English, there are references to literature in
            German, French, Greek, Norwegian, and Swedish. So linguists
            are at least not passively monolingual.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                <b>På vegne af </b>Nigel Vincent<br>
                <b>Sendt:</b> 26. juni 2020 10:04<br>
                <b>Til:</b> Wiemer, Bjoern <a href="mailto:wiemerb@uni-mainz.de" target="_blank"><wiemerb@uni-mainz.de></a>;
                Gilles Authier <a href="mailto:gilles.authier@gmail.com" target="_blank"><gilles.authier@gmail.com></a><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a><br>
                <b>Emne:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] languages of scholarship<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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              jugées indispensables sont écrites en allemand ou en
              danois … ?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                                      Nigel Vincent, FBA MAE<br>
                                      Professor Emeritus of General
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                                      The University of Manchester<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                                        School of Arts, Languages and
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              Wiemer, Bjoern <<a href="mailto:wiemerb@uni-mainz.de" target="_blank">wiemerb@uni-mainz.de</a>><br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 26, 2020 9:44 AM<br>
              <b>To:</b> Gilles Authier <<a href="mailto:gilles.authier@gmail.com" target="_blank">gilles.authier@gmail.com</a>>;
              Nigel Vincent <<a href="mailto:nigel.vincent@manchester.ac.uk" target="_blank">nigel.vincent@manchester.ac.uk</a>><br>
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              <b>Subject:</b> AW: [Lingtyp] languages of scholarship</span>
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            <p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="DE">Je pense que oui…  Actually, the same applies
                to articles on (a language from) other language groups
                (e.g., Slavic) or subgroups (e.g., Scandinavian)…</span><span lang="DE"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
            <p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="DE">BW</span><span lang="DE"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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            <p><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" lang="DE">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" lang="DE"> Lingtyp [<a href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>]
                <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Gilles Authier<br>
                <b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 26. Juni 2020 09:35<br>
                <b>An:</b> Nigel Vincent <<a href="mailto:nigel.vincent@manchester.ac.uk" target="_blank">nigel.vincent@manchester.ac.uk</a>><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a><br>
                <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] languages of scholarship</span><span lang="DE"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                  une langue romane et que les références jugées
                  indispensables sont écrites dans une langue romane, il
                  me semblerait devoir être rejeté, oui.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                <p><span lang="DE">On Fri, Jun 26,
                    2020 at 7:52 AM Nigel Vincent <<a href="mailto:nigel.vincent@manchester.ac.uk" target="_blank">nigel.vincent@manchester.ac.uk</a>>
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                    <p><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black" lang="DE">A related question to Ian's that I
                        have sometimes thought about concerns the
                        languages a researcher should be able to read in
                        order to access relevant scholarship. Should,
                        for example, a paper be rejected or revisions
                        asked for if someone writing in English on a
                        general linguistic topic has not cited relevant
                        work written in a language other than English?</span><span lang="DE"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                    <p><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black" lang="DE">Nigel</span><span lang="DE"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                                                Nigel Vincent, FBA MAE<br>
                                                Professor Emeritus of
                                                General & Romance
                                                Linguistics<br>
                                                The University of
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                                                  School of Arts,
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Prof Peter K. Austin</div><div>Emeritus Professor in Field Linguistics, SOAS</div><div>Visiting Researcher, Oxford University</div><div>Foundation Editor, EL Publishing</div><div>Honorary Treasurer, Philological Society</div><div><br>Department of Linguistics, SOAS<br>Thornhaugh Street, Russell Square<br>London WC1H 0XG<br>United Kingdom<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>