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<p>Dear all,</p>
<p>Another aspect to consider from the perspective of a smaller
discipline (Uralic studies in my case) is that it is essential to
uphold a certain continuity with existing scholarship, which up to
very recently did not use English as a meta language at all. The
more dominant English becomes as a meta-language in the
discipline, the more the impression is created that you "don't
really need" the other traditional meta-languages (German,
Russian, Finnish, Hungarian), and the more you have young scholars
separated from essential resources in the discipline operating on
a comparatively shallow view of the languages. This is especially
dramatic as numerous Uralic varieties went extinct long before
English rose to prominence, and you simply cannot access them at
all without English.<br>
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<p> The arguments for publishing in English are obvious, but there
is definite pragmatic value for the discipline in maintaining a
more diverse set of meta-language. In addition to the ideological
dimension: that it's hard to communicate respect for (and more
importantly, acknowledge utility of) the languages of smaller
speaker communities if we reduce ourselves to using only what we
perceive as the most "useful" language at this particular point in
time.</p>
<p>Jeremy</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/06/2020 14:24, Peter Austin
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<div dir="ltr">Piraha may be a stretch, but recently there have
been PhD dissertations written and defended in Maori, Hawaiian
and Inari Sami, among others. The issue at hand is supporting
our colleagues to be able to publish (in books and journals)
scholarship in these and other languages, it appears.
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 13:20,
<<a href="mailto:joo@shh.mpg.de" moz-do-not-send="true">joo@shh.mpg.de</a>>
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<div dir="auto">There’s nothing wrong with writing in
English or other popular languages to reach a broader
audience. However I think that an author should have the
full choice to write in whatever language they want. If
they choose to write their thesis in Piraha, then so be
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<div dir="auto">Regards, <br>
Ian</div>
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<div name="messageReplySection">On 26. Jun 2020, 21:09
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<div>There are hundreds of excellent research
papers in linguistics and related fields
published annually in languages like Chinese,
Japanese and Arabic, much of which never
pierces the consciousness of English-only
researchers because of attitudes like having
language hierarchies composed entirely of
European languages. Sheesh.<br>
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<div>But is it really because of attitudes? Or
rather because very few people are able to master
dozens of languages to the level where they can
fluently read scholarly work (and keep track of
everything published)? And dozens is actually an
understatement, if we truly abandon the idea of
having the lingua franca of science, it should
rather be thousands. It would be great to live in
a world like that, but that's hardly possible
(excellent work will inevitably remain invisible),
and I think the drawbacks of the
compartmentalization of science outweigh the
benefits of linguistic diversity and multicentric
perspectives in this case. </div>
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<div>Ulrich Ammon put forward a "somewhat utopian"
idea of "International English" -- a set of
varieties of English where not only Anglophone
countries define the norms. I think that's very
close to what Martin and Ilja are proposing, and
that something like that is actually the best
practically possible solution. </div>
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<p>Dear all,</p>
<p><br>
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<p>if I may add another perspective to this.
I think passive knowledge of other
languages is, of course, important and if
a paper does not cite an important paper
on the topic written in a language other
than English that is, of course, a good
reason for sending the paper back for
revision.</p>
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<p>However, a very different topic is
publishing new papers in languages other
than English. I personally have strong
reservations here. Linguistics is such a
complicated matter and it is often so
difficult to exactly understand others. I
think one should not make the problem of
mutual understanding even larger by
publishing in languages other than English
(unless there is absolutely no escape).
Even more, perhaps, research English
itself should also be different from the
native English in that one should try to
avoid dialectal, non-transparent idiomatic
expressions, write in short sentences,
etc.</p>
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<p>If you publish in languages other than
English then you need a sort of hierarchy
of which languages are considered
publishable (German, French, Russian ?,
Latvian ??) and which are not. I think
this issue is difficult to resolve in a
fair way.</p>
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<p>Best,</p>
<p>Ilja<br>
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<div>Am 26.06.2020 um 11:39 schrieb Nigel
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<p><span
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lang="FR">Et si l'article porte
sur le grec moderne, il doit
souvent se référer à la tradition
grammaticale grecque (Tzartzanos)
ou française (Roussel, Mirambel).</span>
<span
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lang="EN-US">Restricting oneself
to discourses in <i>one</i>
language is myopic. Most linguists
really need to read more than just
two or three languages to keep up
with the relevant literature, but
how many do?</span></p>
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lang="EN-US">(Robert E. Wall said
in the famous McCawley
Festschrift, “More people can make
out what it is about in French
than actually read it”.)</span></p>
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lang="EN-US">To take a concrete
example: <i>Acta Linguistica
Hafniensia</i> was founded in
1939 and its first issue contained
papers in German, French and
English. Today, it still calls
itself an ‘international journal’,
but now practically all papers are
in English, with very few
exceptions. However, if you take a
random issue (51(1), May 2019),
apart from one paper specifically
dealing with English, there are
references to literature in
German, French, Greek, Norwegian,
and Swedish. So linguists are at
least not passively monolingual.</span></p>
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<b>På vegne af</b> Nigel
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<b>Sendt:</b> 26. juni 2020
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<p><span
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si l'article est sur une langue
romane mais les références
jugées indispensables sont
écrites en allemand ou en danois
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lang="DE">Je pense que oui…
Actually, the same applies to
articles on (a language from)
other language groups (e.g.,
Slavic) or subgroups (e.g.,
Scandinavian)…</span><span
lang="DE"></span></p>
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lang="DE">BW</span><span
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<b>Im Auftrag von</b> Gilles
Authier<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 26.
Juni 2020 09:35<br>
<b>An:</b> Nigel Vincent <<a
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est sur une langue romane et
que les références jugées
indispensables sont écrites
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question to Ian's that
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thought about concerns
the languages a
researcher should be
able to read in order
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scholarship. Should,
for example, a paper
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revisions asked for if
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linguistic topic has
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