<div dir="ltr">Piraha may be a stretch, but recently there have been PhD dissertations written and defended in Maori, Hawaiian and Inari Sami, among others. The issue at hand is supporting our colleagues to be able to publish (in books and journals) scholarship in these and other languages, it appears.<div><br></div><div>Peter</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 13:20, <<a href="mailto:joo@shh.mpg.de">joo@shh.mpg.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>if I may add another perspective to this. I think passive knowledge of other languages is, of course, important and if a paper does not cite an important paper on the topic written in a language other than English that is, of course, a good reason for sending the paper back for revision.</p>
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<p>However, a very different topic is publishing new papers in languages other than English. I personally have strong reservations here. Linguistics is such a complicated matter and it is often so difficult to exactly understand others. I think one should not make the problem of mutual understanding even larger by publishing in languages other than English (unless there is absolutely no escape). Even more, perhaps, research English itself should also be different from the native English in that one should try to avoid dialectal, non-transparent idiomatic expressions, write in short sentences, etc.</p>
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<p>If you publish in languages other than English then you need a sort of hierarchy of which languages are considered publishable (German, French, Russian ?, Latvian ??) and which are not. I think this issue is difficult to resolve in a fair way.</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="FR">Et si l'article porte sur le grec moderne, il doit souvent se référer à la tradition grammaticale grecque (Tzartzanos) ou française (Roussel, Mirambel).</span> <span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Restricting oneself to discourses in <i>one</i> language is myopic. Most linguists really need to read more than just two or three languages to keep up with the relevant literature, but how many do?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">(Robert E. Wall said in the famous McCawley Festschrift, “More people can make out what it is about in French than actually read it”.)</span></p>
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<b>Sendt:</b> 26. juni 2020 10:04<br>
<b>Til:</b> Wiemer, Bjoern <a href="mailto:wiemerb@uni-mainz.de" target="_blank"><wiemerb@uni-mainz.de></a>; Gilles Authier <a href="mailto:gilles.authier@gmail.com" target="_blank"><gilles.authier@gmail.com></a><br>
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<p><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Et si l'article est sur une langue romane mais les références jugées indispensables sont écrites en allemand ou en danois … ?</span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" lang="DE">Von:</span></b> <span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" lang="DE">Lingtyp [<a href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>] <b>Im Auftrag von</b> Gilles Authier<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 26. Juni 2020 09:35<br>
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Universität Leipzig (IPF 141199)
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04109 Leipzig
URL: <a href="http://home.uni-leipzig.de/serzant/" target="_blank">http://home.uni-leipzig.de/serzant/</a>
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