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Interestingly, the phenomenon described by Hiroto Uchihara occurs in
German: vowel-initial suffixes (e.g. -ig) are typically described as
"integrated in the prosodic word", while consonant-initial suffixes
are described as "non-integrated". For example:<br>
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<i>Farbe</i> 'colour'<br>
<i>farb-ig</i> 'colourful' (resyllabified)<br>
<i>farb-lich</i> 'colour-related' (with devoicing: [farp-lɪɕ])<br>
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If by "integration" we mean syllabification, then this makes very
good sense, of course. But by "prosodic word", many authors mean a
more important domain – one that is potentially relevant to a range
of different phenomena (e.g. stress, assimilation, ...).<br>
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The trouble is that different prosodic word criteria do not always
give the same results (see Schiering et al. 2010: "The prosodic word
is not universal, but emergent"). So testing such claims is very
difficult.<br>
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It seems to me that in addition to the prosodic structure, it is
simple length (in terms of number of segments) that plays a role:
Longer forms have a greater tendency to remain independent, while
shorter forms have a greater tendency to "attach" to a host in some
way.<br>
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Martin<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 27.08.20 um 04:13 schrieb Tim
Zingler:<br>
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<p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font: 18px Helvetica">my
dissertation looks at wordhood (or rather, the problems with
it) cross-linguistically, and the facts you report are among
the kind of phenomena that I was looking for in grammars. My
sample contains 60 unrelated languages, but I do not recall a
single grammar discussing such an issue at any length. So, I
would venture to say that they are not commonly reported,
although I should also highlight that theoretical approaches
to prosodic wordhood will cite sporadic examples of this kind.
(The dissertation should be done later this fall. I would be
happy to send out the final version).</p>
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<p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font: 18px Helvetica">More
generally, to the extent that the situation you describe falls
within the domain of syllabification, that is a phenomenon
that gets surprisingly little attention as an indicator of
wordhood, both in grammars and in theoretical works.</p>
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<p class="p1" style="margin: 0px; font: 18px Helvetica">Best,</p>
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Lingtyp <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org"><lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org></a> on
behalf of Hiroto Uchihara <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:uchihara@buffalo.edu"><uchihara@buffalo.edu></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 26, 2020 6:29 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Lingtyp] Integration of postposed
vowel-initial vs consonant-initial morphemes</font>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear all,
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<div>I'm aware of the asymmetry between the preposed and
postposed morphemes in terms of their integration into
the prosodic constituent with the stem (Himmelman
2014; Asao 2015), but is anyone aware of the
difference in the level of integration between the
vowel-initial vs consonant-initial postposed morphemes
(suffixes or enclitics)? </div>
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<div>I have been observing that this might be the case
in a couple of languages, including Teotitlán Zapotec
and Alcozauca Mixtec. For instance in Teotitlán
Zapotec, vowel-initial enclitics are clearly within
the domain of syllabification, while consonant-initial
enclitics are not. In Alcozauca Mixtec, it might be
the case that vowel-initial enclitics are incorporated
into the prosodic word, while consonant-initial
enclitics are not. Is this something commonly reported
in the literature?</div>
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<div>I would appreciate any insights.</div>
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<div>Best regards,</div>
<div>Hiroto</div>
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<div><span style="font-size:10.5pt;
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color:rgb(0,112,192)">Asao, Yoshihiko. 2015.
<i>Left-Right Asymmetries in Words: A
Processing-Based Account</i>. Ph.D. dissertation,
SUNY Buffalo</span> </div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(0,112,192);
font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;
font-size:10.5pt">Himmelmann, Nikolaus. 2014.
Asymmetries in the prosodic phrasing of function
words: Another look at the suffixing preference.
</span><i style="color:rgb(0,112,192);
font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;
font-size:10.5pt">Language</i><span
style="color:rgb(0,112,192); font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif; font-size:10.5pt"> 90(4).
927–960.</span> </div>
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