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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Dear all,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Does
anybody have any data on whether and how ludlings apply to
ideophones?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">(Terminology:
Ludlings, also known as language games, or secret languages, are
specialized speech
styles in which you do things like insert a [b] in every
syllable, or reverse the
order of syllables in a word.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Ideophones
are forms that appear to stand apart from the regular
grammatical<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>rules and
constraints of the language, both
phonologically and in terms of their meanings which often
contain an affective
component; although most renowned from languages of West Africa
and Mainland
Southeast Asia, they are found in most or all languages.)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">My
prediction, which I would like to test, is that ideophones will
be opaque to
ludlings, that is to say, when applying to an utterance
containing an ideophone,
the ludling will "skip over" the ideophone and not apply to it.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>But of course I could be
wrong ...</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Elsewhere I
have observed that in languages with (typically sentence-final)
pragmatic
particles, such particles are opaque to ludlings, and I used
this to argue that
such particles lie on a separate and largely suprasegmental tier
to which the
ludling does not apply.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>I
would like to
explore whether a similar argument might also be applicable to
ideophones —
hence this query.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><br>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Thanks,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">David<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
David Gil
Senior Scientist (Associate)
Department of Linguistic and Cultural Evolution
Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History
Kahlaische Strasse 10, 07745 Jena, Germany
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gil@shh.mpg.de">gil@shh.mpg.de</a>
Mobile Phone (Israel): +972-556825895
Mobile Phone (Indonesia): +62-81344082091</pre>
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