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<p>Dear Siva,</p>
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<p>thanks for your comment, I am not a native speaker of English. What about "hands up!"?</p>
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 5. Oktober 2020 13:06:47<br>
<b>An:</b> Paul, Prof. Dr. Ludwig<br>
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<div>I'm not sure this particular example works in English: "Heads off!" is hard to understand, and the usual expression is "Off with your/his/her head!" (made famous by the Queen of Hearts in "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland").
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<div class="">In fact, it's hard to think of other examples: "Down with the King!", but not "*King down!"; "Away with your nonsense!", but not "*Your nonsense away!".</div>
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<div class="">On 29 Sep 2020, at 10:40 pm, Paul, Prof. Dr. Ludwig <<a href="mailto:ludwig.paul@uni-hamburg.de" class="">ludwig.paul@uni-hamburg.de</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">What I find interesting is that in such verbless NP-PP (or NP-Adv) constructions, the NP can occur in a (sometimes colloquial) variety with an instrumental/comitative marker, at least in German and
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">1.b. Mit den Füssen runter vom Tisch!</div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">2.a. Hände hoch!</div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">3.a. Kopf ab! / Rübe ab!</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">3.b. Ab mit der Rübe!</div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">4.a. Head(s) off!</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">4.b. Off with the head(s)!</div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Sometimes, there seems to be no "simple" version without the instrumental marker, e.g.:</div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">5.a. 'Raus mit euch!</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">("*Ihr 'raus (von hier)" would be possible but sounds odd)</div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Best,</div>
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<div class="">2) Ital.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">Giù le gambe dal tavolo !</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(imperat.)</div>
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<div class="">Actually, non verbal predication is known in many languages: see above all Kees Hengeveld,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">Non verbal predication.</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>De Gruyter. And look in Google
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma, sans-serif;">> <span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><i class="">I wonder if there has been any literature on the construction where there is no verb, but only an NP and a PP</i></span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma, sans-serif;">Interesting question.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma, sans-serif;">In English, those constructions are particular: they are arguably elliptical in some way, exclamative – or hortative – rather than declarative…</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma, sans-serif;">Yet in many languages, including from the Oceanic (Austronesian) family, a construction {NP + PP} is simply the normal syntax for a declarative statement, where the PP is the predicate itself.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma, sans-serif;">Thus<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">Mwotlap</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(Oceanic; Banks, Vanuatu) would have this: <br class="">
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<div class="gmail_default"><font face="monospace" class=""><font color="#990000" class="">(1) <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font><b class=""><font color="#990000" class="">Imam mino [</font><font color="#0000ff" class="">mi </font><font color="#990000" class="">tēytēybē].</font></b></font></div>
<div class="gmail_default"><font face="monospace" class=""> father my with doctor</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma, sans-serif;"> “My father is/was with the doctor.”</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"><font face="monospace" class=""><font color="#990000" class="">(2) <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font><b class=""><font color="#990000" class="">na-tan̄ nōnōm [</font><font color="#0000ff" class="">lelo</font><font color="#990000" class="">
siok].</font></b></font></div>
<div class="gmail_default"><font face="monospace" class=""> Art-bag your inside canoe</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma, sans-serif;"> “Your bag is in the canoe.”</div>
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<div class="gmail_default">Likewise,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">Araki<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>(Oceanic; Santo, Vanuatu) says:</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"><font face="monospace" class=""><font color="#990000" class="">(3) </font><b class=""><font color="#990000" class="">Sari nene [</font><font color="#0000ff" class="">m̈ar̄a <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font><font color="#990000" class="">m̈aji]</font></b><font color="#990000" class="">.</font><br class="">
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<div class="gmail_default"><font face="monospace" class=""> spear this for fish</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default"> “This spear is for fish.” (i.e. it's designed for fishing)</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"><b class="">Teanu </b>(Oceanic ; Temotu, Solomons) would have:</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"> “They were from Vanuatu.”</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma, sans-serif;">These are all prepositional predicates, translated in English as<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">BE</i> + prep. (is with, is in, is for, were from…)</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma, sans-serif;">Their syntax is typical of languages of the "omnipredicative" type (cf. Launey 1994 about Nāhuatl), languages where the predicate slot can be headed by various lexical classes — unlike European
languages, where the predicative function in declarative statements is basically restricted to verbs. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma, sans-serif;">Those languages which, like European languages, restrict predicativity to the class of verbs, need a copula (like a verb BE) to turn non-predicative phrases into a predicate: with > "I<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u class="">was</u><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>with
them"; happy > "she<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u class="">is</u><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>happy"; rice > "this<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u class="">is</u><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>rice";
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma, sans-serif;">This operation (turning a non-pred phrase into a predicate) is arguably the main function of copulas (cf. Lemaréchal 1989, 1997); this is the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">raison
d'être</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">être</i>.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma, sans-serif;">In omnipredicative languages, words like<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">with</i>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">happy, rice</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>and <i class="">home</i> would
simply head the predicate, making the whole copula operation superfluous. This is why a typical property of omnipredicative languages is to lack a verb Be in the first place.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma, sans-serif;">NB: in languages where the predicate is clause-initial, you will have the reverse order {<u class="">PP</u><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>NP}. Example in Tahitian:</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"><font face="monospace" class="">(5) <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class=""><font color="#990000" class="">[</font><font color="#0000ff" class="">Nō</font><font color="#990000" class=""> tō'u fenua] teie mā'a.</font></b></font></div>
<div class="gmail_default"><font face="monospace" class=""> from my country this food</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma, sans-serif;"> “This food is from my country.”</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma, sans-serif;">Here again, the preposition (<i class="">nō</i>) is the head of the predicate.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma, sans-serif;">Some references:</div>
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<li class=""><font face="verdana, sans-serif" size="1" class=""><b class="">Launey</b>, Michel. 1994.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">Une grammaire omniprédicative: Essai sur la morphosyntaxe du nahuatl classique</i>. Sciences du Langage,
Paris: CNRS.</font></li><li class=""><font face="verdana, sans-serif" size="1" class=""><b class="">Lemaréchal</b>, Alain. 1989.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">Les parties du discours, Syntaxe et sémantique</i>. Linguistique Nouvelle. Paris: Presses Universitaires
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</font></li><li class=""><font face="verdana, sans-serif" size="1" class="">—— 1997.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">Zéro(s)</i>. Linguistique Nouvelle. Paris: Presses universitaires de France.<br class="">
</font></li><li class=""><font face="verdana, sans-serif" size="1" class=""><b class="">François</b>, Alexandre. 2005. Diversité des prédicats non verbaux dans quelques langues océaniennes. In Jacques François & Irmtraud Behr,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">Les
constituants prédicatifs et la diversité des langues</i>. Mémoires de la Société de Linguistique de Paris. Louvain: Peeters. 179-197.</font></li><li class=""><font face="verdana, sans-serif" size="1" class="">—— 2017. The economy of word classes in Hiw, Vanuatu: Grammatically flexible, lexically rigid. In Eva van Lier (ed.),<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">Lexical Flexibility
in Oceanic Languages</i>. Special issue of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">Studies in Language</i>. 41 (2): 294–357.</font></li></ul>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma, sans-serif;">I realise that these Oceanic constructions look perfectly parallel to your English examples [<i class="">Your legs off the table!</i>], and yet the syntactic similarity is only superficial. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: tahoma, sans-serif;">The contrast – whether syntactic, semantic or pragmatic – is worth exploring.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 25 Sep 2020 at 23:07, JOO, Ian [Student] <<a href="mailto:ian.joo@connect.polyu.hk" target="_blank" class="">ian.joo@connect.polyu.hk</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class=""><span style="font-size: inherit;" class="">Dear all,</span><br class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class="">I wonder if there has been any literature on the construction where there is no verb, but only an NP and a PP, such as:</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">(1) Superman to the rescue!</div>
<div dir="ltr" class="">(2) Your legs off the table!</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">Of course, not only in English, but in any language. I would appreciate your help.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">From Hong Kong,</div>
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