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Dear Ian,
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<div class="">In the literature on Classifier typology, this usage classifier is generally called
<b class="">‘noun classifier</b>’ (not to be mixed with 'noun class’).</div>
<div class="">See <span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="">Craig 1986,
</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="">Aikhenvald 2000, </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="">Contini-Morava and Kilarski 2013, Grinevald 2015, </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Bisang
(1993, 1999</span> among others).</div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="">Here is an extract of our article on Classifiers in </span><font face="Times New Roman, serif" size="3" class="">South-East Asia (to appear) that may make it clearer:</font></div>
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<div class=""><font face="Times New Roman, serif" size="3" class="">"</font><span lang="EN-US" style="text-align: justify;" class="">Second, noun classifiers occur next to the noun or within the boundaries of the noun phrase, independently of the operation
of quantification. Generally, they fulfill a determiner function, giving information on the specificity or definiteness of the referent. Noun classifiers are well-attested in Australian and Mesoamerican languages (Aikhenvald 2000:149-71), but are also common
in Southeast languages. The two following examples illustrate the noun classifiers in Zhuang
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="text-align: justify;" class="">(7)</span><span lang="EN-US" style="text-align: justify;" class=""> and Jakaltec
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="text-align: justify;" class="">(8)</span><span lang="EN-US" style="text-align: justify;" class="">. In both examples, the classifier modifies the noun (without the occurrence of numerals) and marks (un)definiteness or specificity.</span></div>
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the classifier for females is used with the noun ‘woman’ without the occurrence of a numeral."</span></p>
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