<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">To directly address Florian’s original question — I don’t know of any large scale study looking at the distribution<div class="">of vowel and consonant length. As Misha remarked, there are definitional issues to consider. In the majority of</div><div class="">language descriptions my impression is that ‘double’ consonants are far more frequently analyzed as a sequence of</div><div class="">two consonants, often heterosyllabic, rather than as long consonants. In my own database work double consonants</div><div class="">are most often interpreted this way. On the other hand vowel length is most often treated as a property of a subset</div><div class="">of the vowel inventory, rather than the result of concatenation of two identical vowels — but with some cases where</div><div class="">this is the preferred interpretation, especially if there is a morpheme boundary between the two vowels. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My impression is that there is no implication that geminate (usually heterosyllabic) consonants imply presence of long </div><div class="">vowels in the same language. There seem to be fair numbers of languages with long vowels but no double consonants and </div><div class="">of languages with double consonants but no vowel length. A few examples of the latter are Toba Batak, Burarra, Koryak,</div><div class="">Tashlhiyt, Logudorese Sardinian, Moroccan Arabic, Yaqui, Koromfe, Mada (of Cameroun), Makassarese, Emmi, Ghomara</div><div class="">Berber, Western Pantar, </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Ian</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 20, 2020, at 09:13, <<a href="mailto:florian.matter@isw.unibe.ch" class="">florian.matter@isw.unibe.ch</a>> <<a href="mailto:florian.matter@isw.unibe.ch" class="">florian.matter@isw.unibe.ch</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div id="bloop_customfont" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;" class=""><div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;" class="">Dear all,</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;" class="">is anybody aware of large-scale studies investigating the distribution of contrastive length in consonants and vowels? Preliminary analysis of phoible data tells me that there is an implicational tendency where if a language has contrastive length in consonants, it also has it in vowels. Are there studies supporting this? I’m also interested in literature on the geographical and genealogical distribution of contrastive length.</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;" class="">Best,</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;" class="">Florian</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class="bloop_container" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div class="bloop_frame"></div></div><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; 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