<div dir="auto"><div>ps Sorry, i shouldn't have sent it to the general list. I am aware that individual cases do not undermine the general correlation. But because Florian also asked for language-level evidence, I provided (my understanding of) the data I know of.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Michael Daniel<br><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">вс, 20 дек. 2020 г., 19:25 Michael Daniel <<a href="mailto:misha.daniel@gmail.com">misha.daniel@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Dear Florian,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">i guess this depends on how to define consonant length, and what to count as presence of vowel quantity contrast. In East Caucasian, many languages distinguish between geminate vs simple, alias strong vs weak, alias fortis vs lenis, alias non-aspirated vs aspirated stops. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">At the same time, vowel length, if present at all, is much less central to the system, though this varies across languages. I'm afraid, in order to fully assess the force of this implication, you should somehow account also for the role of the two contrasts in the language.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As one example, there is an important contrast between fortis and lenis stops in Archi, Lezgic. Vowel length is also present, but is used in expressive elements such as distance demonstratives; secondarily as compensation for the loss of the intervocalic -q- in one (of several hundred) of verbal forms; in some morphophonological contexts with the coordinative clitic; and maybe in one or two other forms that do not quickly come to my mind.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Sincerely,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Michael</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">вс, 20 дек. 2020 г., 19:13 <<a href="mailto:florian.matter@isw.unibe.ch" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">florian.matter@isw.unibe.ch</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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if a language has contrastive length in consonants, it also has it in vowels. Are there studies supporting this? I’m also interested in literature on the geographical and genealogical distribution of contrastive length.</div>
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