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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Hi，Ian and Hsiu-chuan:</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"> Hsiu-chuan said what I want to say. There are lots of papers published in Chinese discussing about the word <i>gei</i> in this construction. In fact, <i>gei</i> can also replace the first <i>bei </i>in Mandarin, especially in south Mandarin. e.g.,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"> <div><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Zhangsan gei-Lisi </span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">da-le.</span><br clear="none" style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Zhangsan give/PASS-Lisi </span><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">hit-PRF</span><br clear="none" style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">`Zhangsan was hit by Lisi.' </span></div><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"> Best,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"> Danqing</div><div><br></div>
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On Tuesday, March 2, 2021, 09:23:33 AM GMT+8, Hsiu-chuan Liao <hcliao2@gmail.com> wrote:
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<div><div id="ydp9c6804beyiv6113749890"><div><div dir="ltr">Hi Ian,<div><br clear="none"></div><div>I don't know where you get (3). As a native speaker of Mandarin Chinese, I do not think (3) is acceptable. Instead, the second <i>bei</i> should be replaced by <i>gei</i> in order to become a grammatical sentence. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>(3) Zhangsan bei-Lisi <b><i><font color="#9900ff">bei-</font></i></b>da-le.<br clear="none">Zhangsan PASS-Lisi PASS-hit-PRF<br clear="none">`Zhangsan was hit by Lisi.'<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Should be changed to:</div><div>Zhangsan bei-Lisi <font color="#9900ff"><i><b>gei</b></i>-</font>da-le.<br clear="none">Zhangsan PASS-Lisi <font color="#9900ff">give</font>-hit-PRF<br clear="none">`Zhangsan was hit by Lisi.' <br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Best,</div><div>Hsiu-chuan</div></div><br clear="none"><div class="ydp9c6804beyiv6113749890gmail_quote"><div class="ydp9c6804beyiv6113749890yqt8666936781" id="ydp9c6804beyiv6113749890yqt51746"><div class="ydp9c6804beyiv6113749890gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 10:26 PM JOO, Ian [Student] <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:ian.joo@connect.polyu.hk" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">ian.joo@connect.polyu.hk</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote class="ydp9c6804beyiv6113749890gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">
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<div>Dear typologists,<br clear="none">
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I wonder if you are aware of any language whose passive construction marks both the agent and the verb.<br clear="none">
For example, in Mandarin, the agent receives the passive marker <em>bei.</em><br clear="none">
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(1) Zhangsan bei-Lisi da-le.<br clear="none">
Zhangsan PASS-Lisi hit-PRF<br clear="none">
`Zhangsan was hit by Lisi.'<br clear="none">
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When the agent is omitted, the verb receives <em>bei</em>.<br clear="none">
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(2) Zhangsan bei-da-le.<br clear="none">
Zhangsan PASS-hit-PRF<br clear="none">
`Zhangsan was hit.'<br clear="none">
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But, in some occasions, both the agent and the verb receive <em>bei</em>:<br clear="none">
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(3) Zhangsan bei-Lisi bei-da-le.<br clear="none">
Zhangsan PASS-Lisi PASS-hit-PRF<br clear="none">
`Zhangsan was hit by Lisi.'<br clear="none">
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Are you aware of any other language where a construction like (3) is possible?<br clear="none">
The only one I am aware of at the moment is Vietnamese.<br clear="none">
I would greatly appreciate any help.</div>
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<div>Ian</div>
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