<div dir="ltr">Dear all,<div><br></div><div>only in this exchange I realized that the Russian <i>раз</i> 'time' (in the sense of the French 'fois'), is used in a syntactically similar construction but functionally different construction as introducing cause complement clauses:</div><div><br></div><div><i>Раз ты пришел так рано, я пойду</i>.</div><div>As you came so early, I'll be leaving. (Lit. 'Time <a href="http://you.sg">you.sg</a> come.Pst so early, I leave.Prs)</div><div><br></div><div>Note that no numeral is used in these constructions, unlike what the original query was looking for.</div><div><br></div><div>But is the French "Une fois que" not somewhat similar to Russian in this respect, in that it is not (only) used in the sense "as soon as" but also to introduce subordinate clauses of cause? (And maybe English, too, once we're on this). In fact, it would be good to check whether the Russian construction is not a 19th century pattern copy from French.</div><div><br></div><div>Michael</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">чт, 1 апр. 2021 г. в 08:33, Jesus Francisco Olguin Martinez <<a href="mailto:olguinmartinez@ucsb.edu">olguinmartinez@ucsb.edu</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Dear all,<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><span><div class="gmail_default">Sorry for not having been clearer in my previous email.</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">Yes, English 'once' is used in this way :) </div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div></span><div class="gmail_default">I did not mention English and other European languages because in Mandarin and the other Hmong-Mien languages I mentioned before, the second clause appears with another linker (lit. <i>on(c)e</i>........'(<i>and</i>) <i>then</i>'). Accordingly, these languages show some sort of correlative construction. Based on the languages of the sample, this usage of 'on(c)e' in a correlative construction is not common cross-linguistically. It seems that Hmong-Mien languages have copied this strategy with native material from Mandarin. This is some sort of 'pattern replication'. I was expecting to receive more answers concerned with languages spoken in this area in order to see if these languages have also copied this pattern from Mandarin.</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">Thank you in advance.</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">Best,</div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin:2px 0px 0px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 8:37 PM Jesus Francisco Olguin Martinez <<a href="mailto:olguinmartinez@ucsb.edu" target="_blank">olguinmartinez@ucsb.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Dear all,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">I hope this message finds you well.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">As I was consulting various sources, it seems that the numeral 'one' in the expression of 'as soon as' is not common cross-linguistically. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">In my sample, this is attested in Standard Mandarin (i.e. <i>yī), </i>Xong (Hmong-Mien), and <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:11pt">Iu Mien (Hmong-Mien). Are you aware of any other languages that express 'as soon as' in a similar way?</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:11pt"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:11pt">Thank you very much in advance.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Best,</div><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(33,33,33);margin:0px"><font face="AR CENA"><span style="font-size:14.6667px">Jesús Olguín Martínez</span></font></div><div style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,"Segoe UI","Segoe WP",Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,serif,EmojiFont;font-size:15px;margin:0px"><font face="Calibri,sans-serif" size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt"><font face="AR CENA">Ph.D. Candidate, Dept. of Linguistics</font></span></font></div><div style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,"Segoe UI","Segoe WP",Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,serif,EmojiFont;font-size:15px;margin:0px"><font face="Calibri,sans-serif" size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt"><font face="AR CENA"><i>University of California, Santa Barbara (UCSB)</i></font></span></font></div><div style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,"Segoe UI","Segoe WP",Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,serif,EmojiFont;font-size:15px;margin:0px"><font face="Calibri,sans-serif" size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt"><font face="AR CENA"><a href="http://www.linguistics.ucsb.edu/people/jes%C3%BAs-olgu%C3%ADn-mart%C3%ADnez" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">http://www.linguistics.ucsb.edu/people/jesús-olguín-martínez</a></font></span></font></div></div></div></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(33,33,33);margin:0px"><font face="AR CENA"><span style="font-size:14.6667px">Jesús Olguín Martínez</span></font></div><div style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,"Segoe UI","Segoe WP",Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,serif,EmojiFont;font-size:15px;margin:0px"><font face="Calibri,sans-serif" size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt"><font face="AR CENA">Ph.D. Candidate, Dept. of Linguistics</font></span></font></div><div style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,"Segoe UI","Segoe WP",Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,serif,EmojiFont;font-size:15px;margin:0px"><font face="Calibri,sans-serif" size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt"><font face="AR CENA"><i>University of California, Santa Barbara (UCSB)</i></font></span></font></div><div style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,"Segoe UI","Segoe WP",Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,serif,EmojiFont;font-size:15px;margin:0px"><font face="Calibri,sans-serif" size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt"><font face="AR CENA"><a href="http://www.linguistics.ucsb.edu/people/jes%C3%BAs-olgu%C3%ADn-mart%C3%ADnez" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">http://www.linguistics.ucsb.edu/people/jesús-olguín-martínez</a></font></span></font></div></div></div>
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