<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:large;color:#0000ff">The problem occurs when we try to map constructions in English with those in other languages. As far as I know, almost all the Indo-Aryan languages and other SOV languages have before-clause preposed to the main clause. The expected striking feature is the sentence does not start with the word for 'before' because of the SOV nature. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:large;color:#0000ff">Anvita</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 2:25 AM Alexander Coupe <<a href="mailto:ARCoupe@ntu.edu.sg">ARCoupe@ntu.edu.sg</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Dear Jesús,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thompson & Longacre (1985: 182-183) have a brief but informative discussion of
<i>before-</i>clauses and present examples in Mandarin and Lakhota that demonstrate the preposed position. They also discuss a number of languages that have no lexical exponent for ‘before’; these require a negated verb stem to express a functionally-equivalent,
temporally antecedent proposition, and some additionally take a dependent-marking affix on their negated stems.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Mongsen Ao uses the preposed negated verb stem strategy in combination with a locative converb suffix or a temporal adverb to express ‘before’ – see Coupe (2007: 447-448) for textual examples. I
just elicited examples from my Yimkhiung and Khiamniungan social media contacts in eastern Nagaland and both these languages similarly use a negated verb to express ‘before’, so the pattern could be an areal feature of the TB languages of this region if it’s
not more widely attested in TB. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>It’s likely that some languages permit pragmatics to determine the position of such clauses vis-à-vis the main clause, but an even stronger influence on structure could be the head-final typology
of clause-chaining languages like Ao, Yimkhiung and Khiamniungan that usually requires dependent converb clauses to precede their main clauses. That syntactic requirement may override any semantic preference for iconic ordering.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Best regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Alec<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>References<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Coupe, Alexander R. 2007.
<i>A grammar of Mongsen Ao. </i>Berlin/New York: Mouton de Gruyter.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thompson, Sandra & Robert E. Longacre. 1985. Adverbial clauses. In Shopen, Timothy (ed.)
<i>Language typology and syntactic description Vol. II: complex constructions</i>, 171-234<i>.
</i>Cambridge: CUP.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Lingtyp <<a href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>> on behalf of Jesus Francisco Olguin Martinez <<a href="mailto:olguinmartinez@ucsb.edu" target="_blank">olguinmartinez@ucsb.edu</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, 12 July 2021 at 10:45 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Lingtyp] Position of before-clauses<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Georgia,serif">As you know, it is expected that
<i>before</i>-clauses occur postposed to the main clause (e.g. <i>I left before she arrived</i>). This stems from the fact that they refer to a situation that occurs posterior to the one in the main clause
<a name="m_9058544465774157234__Hlk58411225">(Diessel 2008: 470).</a> However, the position of the <i>before</i>-clause tends to be non-iconic in many languages of my sample (e.g.
<i>before she arrived</i>, <i>I left</i>).</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Georgia,serif">I was wondering if you know any languages in which the
<i>before</i>-clause can only occur preposed to the main clause (e.g. <i>before she arrived</i>,
<i>I left</i>). That is, are there any languages in which <i>before</i>-clauses only show non-iconic order? Any readings that have explored this aspect?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Georgia,serif">Thank you very much in advance.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"AR CENA",serif;color:rgb(33,33,33)">Jesús Olguín Martínez</span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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