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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>John actually left because both verbs are simple action verbs in
the past.</p>
<p>But with for instance</p>
<p>– John was anxious before leaving,</p>
<p>the implication is not so evident any more.</p>
<p>MMJocelyne Fernandez<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 19/07/2021 à 01:46, David Gil a
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<p>Hi,<br>
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<p>Am I missing something here? Consider</p>
<p>(1) John ate before leaving<br>
(2) John ate before he left</p>
<p>Surely in both of the above sentences, there IS an implication
that John actually left.<br>
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In terms of whether the two states of affairs take place, I
don't see a difference between the above and the following:</p>
<p>(3) John ate and then left</p>
<p>David</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/07/2021 02:01, Jesus Francisco
Olguin Martinez wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif">Dear
all,</font></div>
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<div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif"><span
style="text-align:justify">Temporal construction
expressing precedence (a.k.a. <i>before</i>-constructions)
consist of a sequence of two clauses in <a
name="_Hlk77435152" moz-do-not-send="true">which
the main state of affairs happens before the
dependent state of affairs </a>(Kortmann 1997:
84-85; Cristofaro 2003: 159). </span><span
style="text-align:justify">The dependent state of
affairs in a <i>before</i>-construction may take
place at a subsequent time point. However, there is
no implication about whether or not it actually
takes place (Cristofaro 2003: 62). </span></font><br>
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style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">In my
sample, there are various languages that use a
specialized clause-linkage device to explicitly indicate
that the dependent state of affairs in a <i>before</i>-construction
actually takes place. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">I
would be interested in hearing more about languages that
have a clause-linking device that explicitly indicate
this type of information. </div>
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style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Thank
you very much in advance.</div>
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