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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="SV">Från:</span></b><span lang="SV"> Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org>
<b>För </b>Bastian Persohn<br>
<b>Skickat:</b> den 27 juli 2021 09:44<br>
<b>Till:</b> Randy LaPolla <randy.lapolla@gmail.com><br>
<b>Kopia:</b> LINGTYP <lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org><br>
<b>Ämne:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] Literature on 'already' > causal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Are you referring to those markers often called <i>iamatives</i>, following Olsson’s MA thesis and subsequent work by Dahl and Wälchli?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’d include those under the label of 'already‘, but yes, that’s something I could have stated more clearly.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 27.07.2021 um 07:07 schrieb Randy LaPolla <<a href="mailto:randy.lapolla@gmail.com">randy.lapolla@gmail.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Just a suggestion: Rather than limiting your search to lexical items that mean ‘already’, you might expand it to include change of state aspect markers, which are commonly translated as ‘already’, and possibly even perfective aspect marking
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<p class="MsoNormal">All the best,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">Randy J. LaPolla, PhD FAHA</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Gothic";color:#222222;background:white">（羅</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Mincho";color:#222222;background:white">仁地</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Gothic";color:#222222;background:white">）</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">(<a href="http://personal.ntu.edu.sg/randylapolla">personal.ntu.edu.sg/randylapolla</a>)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">Most recent books:</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">The Sino-Tibetan Languages, 2nd Edition (</span></i></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">2017)</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white"><a href="https://www.routledge.com/The-Sino-Tibetan-Languages-2nd-Edition/LaPolla-Thurgood/p/book/9781138783324">https://www.routledge.com/The-Sino-Tibetan-Languages-2nd-Edition/LaPolla-Thurgood/p/book/9781138783324</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">Sino-Tibetan Linguistics </span></i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">(2018)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On 26 Jul 2021, at 11:11 PM, Bastian Persohn <<a href="mailto:persohn.linguistics@gmail.com">persohn.linguistics@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear lingtyp list members,<br>
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Do you know of any literature that discusses the development of causal clause markers from (constructions involving) expressions for ‚already‘, especially works that discuss the underlying semanto-pragmatic motivation?<br>
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The type of construction I have in mind is found, for instance, in Spanish and Italian (1, 2) and has also been described for the Arabic variety of the Medina of Tunis (3). German (<i>Wo du
<u>schon</u> da bist, bleib doch zum Abendesse</i>n ‚As you’re here (already), why don’t you stay for supper?) and Bosnian-Serbian-Croatian (<i>Kad si
<u>već</u> ovdje, zašto ne ostaneš na večeri</i> ‚dto‘) could be counted as additional examples.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(1) <i><u><span lang="ES" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Ya que</span></u></i><i><span lang="ES" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> tu desgracia no tiene remedio, llévala con paciencia</span></i><span lang="ES">.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES">CAUSAL / already SUBORD it you_know why me it you_ask</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">‘Since you know it, why do you ask me?’ (M-H & Strudsholm 2008: 494)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(3) <i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Xān-n-əmši᷄-u ʕala sāq-î-na
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‘Wir wollen zu Fuß hingehen da es doch/ja nicht weit ist’ [Let’s go there by foot, as it’s really not far] (Singer 1984)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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