
<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">I can second Kristine’s comment, and just mention it isn’t only final syllables, but also the initial syllable in many languages with iambic prosody and frequent sesquisyllabic structure, e.g. Rvwáng, a language of northern Myanmar, where the v represents a reduced toneless vowel. <div><br></div><div>Randy<br><br><div dir="ltr">Sent from my phone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On 24 Aug 2021, at 9:10 PM, Kristine Hildebrandt <khildeb@siue.edu> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>I think a number of Tibeto-Burman languages are like this. In many languages that have tone (not all are tonal), some grammatical morphemes are described as underlyingly not specified for tone, and they inherit pitch properties based on the root/stem morphemes to which they are grammatically and prosodically bound. In languages that I document (Tamangic), this is the case for many (but not all) inflectional and derivational affixes, for example, and for the negative prefix. There are, however, exceptions.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 7:39 AM Ratanon Jiamsundutsadee <<a href="mailto:RatanonJ@outlook.com">RatanonJ@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">


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<span style="font-family:"Franklin Gothic Demi","Avenir Next Condensed Demi Bold",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Is anyone familiar with tone languages which are analyzed to have "toneless" morphemes, i.e. not specified for tone in the underlying representation?</span></div>

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<span style="font-family:"Franklin Gothic Demi","Avenir Next Condensed Demi Bold",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">For example, some final particles in Thai have been analyzed to be inherently toneless, exhibiting their surface pitch contour only due to their

 linkage to intonational-phrase-final boundary tones.</span></div>

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<span style="font-family:"Franklin Gothic Demi","Avenir Next Condensed Demi Bold",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">(1) rāw  cʰɔ̂ɔp  tàw   

<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">kʰa</span>-L%</span></div>

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<span style="font-family:"Franklin Gothic Demi","Avenir Next Condensed Demi Bold",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">     1SG like     turtle  FP</span></div>

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<span style="font-family:"Franklin Gothic Demi","Avenir Next Condensed Demi Bold",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">     'I like turtles.' (/<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">kʰa/ = formal, female speaking)</span></span></div>

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<span style="font-family:"Franklin Gothic Demi","Avenir Next Condensed Demi Bold",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">(2) nâarák máj   kʰa-H%</span></div>

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<span style="font-family:"Franklin Gothic Demi","Avenir Next Condensed Demi Bold",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">      cute     FP    FP</span></div>

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<span style="font-family:"Franklin Gothic Demi","Avenir Next Condensed Demi Bold",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">     'Aren't they cute?' (/<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">máj</span>/ = neutral interrogative; <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">/</span><span style="margin:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">kʰa/

 = formal, female speaking)</span></span></div>

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<span style="font-family:"Franklin Gothic Demi","Avenir Next Condensed Demi Bold",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><span style="margin:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:"Franklin Gothic Demi","Avenir Next Condensed Demi Bold",sans-serif;font-size:11pt;display:inline">Traditionally,

 /kʰá/ and /kʰâ~kʰà/ would be treated as fully specified for tone and distinct from each other. </span></span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Franklin Gothic Demi","Avenir Next Condensed Demi Bold",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">So far,

 I have encountered somewhat similar accounts (of certain morphemes, particularly final particles, which are said to be tonally unspecified) in Mandarin and Cantonese.</span></div>

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<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Franklin Gothic Demi","Avenir Next Condensed Demi Bold",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Kind regards,</span></div>

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<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Franklin Gothic Demi","Avenir Next Condensed Demi Bold",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Ratanon Jiamsundutsadee</span></div>

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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>----</div>Orche<div>'Thanks' in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manang_language" target="_blank">Manange</a></div><div><br></div><div>Kristine Hildebrandt</div><div><span style="color:rgb(92,102,137);font-family:"Nunito Sans",-apple-systewm,system-ui,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue",Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Noto Color Emoji";font-size:14px;white-space:pre"><a href="https://namedrop.io/kristineahildebrandt" target="_blank">https://namedrop.io/kristineahildebrandt</a></span></div><div>Professor, <a href="https://www.siue.edu/artsandsciences/english/faculty-staff/hildebrandt.shtml" target="_blank">English Language & Literature</a></div><div>Co-Director, <a href="https://iris.siue.edu/" target="_blank">The IRIS Digital Humanities Center</a></div><div>Southern Illinois University Edwardsville</div><div>President, <a href="http://www.endangeredlanguagefund.org/" target="_blank">Endangered Language Fund</a></div><div>Editor, <i><a href="https://escholarship.org/uc/himalayanlinguistics" target="_blank">Himalayan Linguistics</a></i></div></div></div>

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