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    <p>@Maia, Paolo, Riccardo</p>
    <p>Of course, when you start looking for insult of colloquial
      language, counter-examples are numerous.</p>
    <p>As for French, I would not assert that "espèce de" can never be
      used with a positive substantive – provided it is immediately
      followed by another expression that contradicts it, e.g.</p>
    <p>    - Espèce de (petit) génie à la con! <br>
    </p>
    <p>       ≈         (small)  crummy genius!</p>
    <p>- Espèce de génie de mes fesses!</p>
    <p>      ≈         genius of my buttocks!<br>
    </p>
    <p>(Sorry for the over-familiarity, but such expressions can be
      found in spontaneous corpora, either ironical or referring to a
      previous co-text.)</p>
    <p>Maybe it is a further argument for considering  that "espèce de"
      is a lexical construction.</p>
    <p>    Best wishes from Quartier Latin</p>
    <p>    MMJocelyne Fernandez</p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 15/12/2021 à 12:17, Volker Gast a
      écrit :<br>
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      <p>If you need some type of theoretical framework for this study,
        you could use Jonathan Culpeper's work on impoliteness, see for
        instance this paper on 'impoliteness strategies':</p>
      <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/300633947_Impoliteness_Strategies"
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      <p>Culpeper distinguishes eleven types of insults in Section 8 on
        'impoliteness triggers' (referring to his own earlier work from
        2011). He extended Brown/Levinston-style politeness theory to
        impoliteness -- communicative actions intended to damage
        someone's (positive) face.</p>
      <p>I doubt that languages have grammaticalized ways of expressing,
        for instance, positive impoliteness, in the same way as they
        encode positive politeness (e.g. in the V/T-forms of European
        languages). Perhaps you could consider the use of T-forms in a
        V-context as impolite (and potentially offensive). I wouldn't
        regard the types of structures found in 'personalized negative
        vocatives' (Culpeper's term) "grammaticalized". I think they
        rather belong in the lexicon, but that's obviously a matter of
        definition.</p>
      <p>Volker<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15.12.21 11:39, Riccardo Giomi
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          <div>Dear all,</div>
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          <div>Thank you very much for a nice set of data and
            references. This will be extremely useful. <br>
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          <div>I will reply to some of you privately, asking for further
            comments/data/references. In the mean time, any further
            feedback is of course more than welcome!</div>
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          <div>@Maia & Paolo: I agree with Paolo that <i>pezzo di /
              espèce de</i> are not grammaticalized, although not for
            the reason he mentions. After all the working hypothesis is
            precisely that languages can have grammaticalized means of
            marking a speech act as an insult, so, according to this
            hypothesis, the fact that <i>pezzo di X</i> never occurs
            with positively connotated epithets does not entail that the
            construction is not grammaticalized.</div>
          <div>A different type of argument for regarding these as
            lexical constructions is the fact that premodifying
            adjectives must agree with <i>pezzo </i>and not with the
            epithet (and I guess the same goes for French <i>espèce</i>),
            cf. <i>brutt<u>o</u> pezzo di cretina</i>, as opposed to *<i>brutt<u>a</u>
              pezzo di cretina</i>. This suggests that <i>pezzo </i>is
            the head of the construction; if it had been a
            grammaticalized element, I suppose agreement would have been
            with the epithet. At any rate, these nouns are not really
            reserved for marking a speech act as an insult -- they can
            also occur in other types of speech act, e.g. declarative <i>Quel
              pezzo di X mi ha rubato la bici </i>(roughly, 'That dirty
            X stole my bike').</div>
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          <div>Best wishes to all,</div>
          <div>Riccardo<br>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Paolo Ramat <<a
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            <div dir="ltr">In Italian too <i>pezzo di X  </i>'espèce de
              X' , as in <i>pezzo di idiota </i>and the very
              insulting, derogating<i> (</i>but very much used)<i> pezzo
                di merda, </i>appears  just in derogating expressions:
              you will never hear <i> *pezzo di  genio, </i>nor<i>
                *pezzo di benefattore !  </i>This is, I think, an
              argument for not considering  the construct <i>'pezzo di
                X ' </i>as belonging to the grammar (Maia).
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              <div>Paolo</div>
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                    of insulting people but that depends on X being an
                    insult. The same construction can be used to praise:
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                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] Grammatical marking
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                      the English "you idiot" (you [insult]) qualify as
                      an example? </div>
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                      adposition is not standard in English predication,
                      and it seems largely limited to second person sing
                      and derogatory adjectives? </div>
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                      has "espèce d'idiot" - not sure whether it
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                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] Grammatical
                          marking of insults (?)</font>
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                          Riccardo and all,</div>
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                        <div
style="font-family:Tahoma,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">D’Avis
                          and Meibauer's paper "Du Idiot! Din idiot!
                          Pseudo-vocative constructions and insults in
                          German (and Swedish)" (<a
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                          might be of interest; see also the thirty
                          studies referring to this paper according to
                          Google Scholar: <a
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https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=9645899484374998601</a> (and so
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                          regards,</div>
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                              face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>Frá:</b>
                              Lingtyp <<a
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                              fyrir hönd Sebastian Nordhoff <<a
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                              <b>Sent:</b> þriðjudagur, 14. desember
                              2021 22:50<br>
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                              <b>Efni:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] Grammatical
                              marking of insults (?)</font>
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                                <div>Dear Riccardo,<br>
                                  Sinhala has several levels of
                                  politeness in imperatives (marked by <br>
                                  affixes), one of which would be
                                  rendered as "Do X, you $#!% !!!". I
                                  once <br>
                                  nearly got beaten up when
                                  underestimating the impact that the
                                  use of <br>
                                  this form can have. I can look up the
                                  reference if you want to.<br>
                                  Best wishes<br>
                                  Sebastian<br>
                                  <br>
                                  On 12/14/21 19:49, Riccardo Giomi
                                  wrote:<br>
                                  > Dear all,<br>
                                  > <br>
                                  > A student of mine would like to
                                  investigate the linguistic coding of <br>
                                  > insults across languages. She is
                                  particularly interested in finding out
                                  <br>
                                  > whether languages can have
                                  dedicated (uses of) grammatical <br>
                                  > forms/constructions for this
                                  specific purpose. The best example I
                                  could <br>
                                  > come up with so far is the use of
                                  the Portuguese third person reflexive
                                  <br>
                                  > possessive adjective (determiner
                                  in Brazilian Portuguese) /seu/sua/
                                  with <br>
                                  > epithets which are meant as
                                  insults. An example would be<br>
                                  > <br>
                                  > /Cala=te, seu burro!/<br>
                                  > <a
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                                  > 'Shut up, you idiot!'<br>
                                  > <br>
                                  > (Where, funnily enough, the third
                                  person of the adjective/determiner is
                                  <br>
                                  > presumably the polite form!) This
                                  is an interesting case, I think, <br>
                                  > because as far as I can see you
                                  never use /seu/sua /in 'plain' <br>
                                  > vocatives, nor with terms of
                                  endearment, nor, for that matter, with
                                  NPs <br>
                                  > which are not used as
                                  invocations.<br>
                                  > <br>
                                  > I am wondering whether anyone is
                                  aware of a language which has some <br>
                                  > grammaticalized form or
                                  construction that can be used in this
                                  specific <br>
                                  > way. Note that I am not
                                  interested in, say, abusive pronouns
                                  or <br>
                                  > honorifics or general expressions
                                  of the speaker's disappointment <br>
                                  > ('frustrative' markers) but only
                                  in grammaticalized means of marking
                                  the <br>
                                  > speech act as an insult.<br>
                                  > <br>
                                  > Many thanks in advance and best
                                  wishes to all,<br>
                                  > Riccardo<br>
                                  > <br>
                                  > -- <br>
                                  > Riccardo Giomi, Ph.D.<br>
                                  > University of Liège<br>
                                  > Département de langues modernes :
                                  linguistique, littérature et
                                  traduction<br>
                                  > Research group /Linguistique
                                  contrastive et typologie des langues/<br>
                                  > F.R.S.-FNRS Postdoctoral fellow
                                  (CR - FC 43095)<br>
                                  > //<br>
                                  > <br>
                                  >
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