<div dir="ltr">I've also heard French speakers in Chad use the word <i>jusqu'à</i> on it's own (no complement of any kind) to mean "for a very long time". This usage is apparently attested in other countries as well: <div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.dictionnairedesfrancophones.org/form/jusqu'%C3%A0/sense/inv%3Aentry%2F2847%2Fen%2F0%2Fls%2F1">https://www.dictionnairedesfrancophones.org/form/jusqu'%C3%A0/sense/inv%3Aentry%2F2847%2Fen%2F0%2Fls%2F1</a></div><div><br></div><div>Joey <br><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 4:11 PM Denis Creissels <<a href="mailto:denis.creissels@univ-lyon2.fr">denis.creissels@univ-lyon2.fr</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Dear Jesus Francisco,</p>
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<p>'Until getting tired' as a way of expressing 'for a very long time' is pervasive in West African languages, and is also found in local varieties of European languages (for example 'jusqu'à fatigué' in Ivorian French). I know of no general analysis of this
construction, but the reason is probably simply that that, syntactically, it behaves like any until-clause.</p>
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<p>Note that the West African verbs commonly glossed 'tire' commonly have a wider meaning, including 'bother', 'cause problems'.</p>
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<div id="gmail-m_7949269925105010960divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>De :</b> Lingtyp <<a href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>> de la part de Jesus Francisco Olguin Martinez <<a href="mailto:olguinmartinez@ucsb.edu" target="_blank">olguinmartinez@ucsb.edu</a>><br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> mercredi 5 janvier 2022 16:56:31<br>
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<b>Objet :</b> [Lingtyp] 'until' clauses in Africa</font>
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<div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif">I hope this email finds you well.</font></div>
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<div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif">I send you this message because in my sample there are a couple of African languages (e.g. Tommo So and Bangime) that
<span style="color:black;text-align:justify">have a narrative construction in which the
</span><i style="color:black;text-align:justify">until</i><span style="color:black;text-align:justify">-clause appears with a verb meaning ‘to get tired’ (e.g.
<i>I worked I worked until I get tired</i>). </span><span style="color:black;text-align:justify">Note that this clause does not necessarily denote literal weariness or physical fatigue. Instead, this construction is used in contexts where speakers express that
they carried out an activity for a very long time (e.g. <i>I worked I worked for a very long time</i>). In this type of construction, </span><span style="color:black;text-align:justify"> the first clause in linear order denotes a prolonged activity and is
followed by a clause meaning ‘until I got tired’ emphasizing the extreme prolongation of the first situation. </span></font></div>
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<div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif"><span style="color:black;text-align:justify">I was wondering if you know any study that has explored this type of construction or if you know any other African languages that have this
type of construction.</span></font></div>
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<div class="gmail_default"><span style="color:black;text-align:justify;font-family:georgia,serif">Thank you very much in advance.</span><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif"><span style="color:black;text-align:justify">Best,</span></font></div>
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