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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I do not know if this phenomenon in Danish is related.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">“Ikke så snart Amsterdam-traktaten trådte i kraft, begyndte Europa-Kommissionen …” literally ”Not as soon [as] the Amsterdam treaty came into force
…”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">One could translate this into English with “no sooner” and one might ask if a difference between “no sooner” (with negation) and “as soon as” (without
negation) always is observed by all speakers, as subtle it may be.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Hartmut Haberland</span></b><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><br>
Professor emeritus</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Roskilde University</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><br>
Department of Communication and Arts</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Fra:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org>
<b>På vegne af </b>Françoise Rose<br>
<b>Sendt:</b> 12. januar 2022 09:53<br>
<b>Til:</b> mohammad rasekh <mrasekhmahand@yahoo.com>; LINGTYP LINGTYP <lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Fariba Sabouri <faribasabouri@gmail.com><br>
<b>Emne:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] Negation marks adverbial clauses<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear Mohammad,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">this is a very common phenomenon in (rather formal) French:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">avant qu’elle n’arrive, ….
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">before she arrives (lit. before she does not arrive)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Unfortunately, I don’t have any reading recommendation on the topic!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Françoise ROSE (fʁɑ̃swɑz ʁoz)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Directrice de Recherches 2<sup>ème</sup> classe, CNRS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Laboratoire Dynamique Du Langage (CNRS/Université Lyon2)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">16 avenue Berthelot<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">69007 Lyon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">FRANCE<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79"><a href="http://www.ddl.cnrs.fr/ROSE">www.ddl.cnrs.fr/ROSE</a><i><o:p></o:p></i></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">De :</span></b><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Lingtyp <<a href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org">lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>>
<b>De la part de</b> mohammad rasekh<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> mardi 11 janvier 2022 16:18<br>
<b>À :</b> LINGTYP LINGTYP <<a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc :</b> Fariba Sabouri <<a href="mailto:faribasabouri@gmail.com">faribasabouri@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Objet :</b> [Lingtyp] Negation marks adverbial clauses<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-family:"Garamond",serif">Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-family:"Garamond",serif">I hope you have started a happy new year.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-family:"Garamond",serif">In the corpus of one of my students in Hamedani Persian (a variety spoken in Hamedan, west of Iran), we have found some adverbial clauses in which the verb is marked by negative prefix,
but it does not mean negative. These adverbial clauses mark Time (meaning 'as soon as') and Reason, or both at the same time. Some examples:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp24f6f745msolistparagraph" style="line-height:200%"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:200%;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black">1.</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:7.0pt;line-height:200%;color:black">
</span><i><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:200%;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:black;background:white">i ke kur
<b>na</b></span></i><b><i><span lang="FR" style="font-family:"Garamond",serif">-šod</span></i></b><i><span lang="FR" style="font-family:"Garamond",serif">, man diye ruz-e xoš na-didam</span></i><span lang="FR" style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="ydp24f6f745msolistparagraph" style="line-height:200%"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:200%"> he that blind NEG-become, I anymore day-EZ happy NEG-see-1SG
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:200%"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:200%"> As soon as he got blind, I had no good times.</span><span lang="FR" style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydpa53b1b4fmsolistparagraph" style="line-height:200%"><span lang="FR">2.</span><span lang="FR" style="font-size:7.0pt;line-height:200%"> </span><i><span lang="EN-US">das ke
<b>ne-mi-keš-i</b> ru harči, xāk-e</span></i><span lang="FR" style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="ydpa53b1b4fmsolistparagraph" style="line-height:200%"><span lang="EN-US"> hand that NEG-IND-touch-2SG over everything, dirty-BE.3SG</span><span lang="FR" style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="ydpa53b1b4fmsolistparagraph" style="line-height:200%"><span lang="EN-US"> As you touch everything, it is dirty.</span><span lang="FR" style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:200%"><span lang="FR" style="font-family:"Garamond",serif">I wonder if there is any other language in which the adverbial clause is negative in form but not in meaning. I searched to find some evidence or some sources
which mention this, but I was not successful. I appreciate your comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:200%"><span lang="FR" style="font-family:"Garamond",serif">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:200%"><span lang="FR" style="font-family:"Garamond",serif">Mohammad <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4C76A2">Mohammad Rasekh-Mahand </span><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4C76A2">Linguistics Department,</span><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4C76A2">Bu-Ali Sina University, </span><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4C76A2">Hamedan, Iran.</span><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4C76A2">Postal Code: 6517838695 </span><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif"><a href="https://basu.academia.edu/MohammadRasekhmahand" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4C76A2">https://basu.academia.edu/MohammadRasekhmahand<br>
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