<div dir="ltr">Dear Mohammad,<div>Wälchli (2018) discusses negation and "before", "until", "as soon as" clauses: </div><div><a href="https://doi.org/10.32798/bl.372">https://doi.org/10.32798/bl.372</a></div><div>Cheers</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 9:55 AM Françoise Rose <<a href="mailto:francoise.rose@univ-lyon2.fr">francoise.rose@univ-lyon2.fr</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Dear Mohammad,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">this is a very common phenomenon in (rather formal) French:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">avant qu’elle n’arrive, ….
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">before she arrives (lit. before she does not arrive)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Unfortunately, I don’t have any reading recommendation on the topic!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Best,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">FRANCE<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">De :</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Lingtyp <<a href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>>
<b>De la part de</b> mohammad rasekh<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> mardi 11 janvier 2022 16:18<br>
<b>À :</b> LINGTYP LINGTYP <<a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc :</b> Fariba Sabouri <<a href="mailto:faribasabouri@gmail.com" target="_blank">faribasabouri@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Objet :</b> [Lingtyp] Negation marks adverbial clauses<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Garamond,serif">Dear All,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Garamond,serif">I hope you have started a happy new year.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Garamond,serif">In the corpus of one of my students in Hamedani Persian (a variety spoken in Hamedan, west of Iran), we have found some adverbial clauses in which the verb is marked by negative prefix, but it
does not mean negative. These adverbial clauses mark Time (meaning 'as soon as') and Reason, or both at the same time. Some examples:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Garamond,serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="gmail-m_4810900935495966920ydp24f6f745msolistparagraph" style="line-height:200%"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10pt;line-height:200%;font-family:Garamond,serif;color:black">1.</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:7pt;line-height:200%;color:black">
</span><i><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10pt;line-height:200%;font-family:Garamond,serif;color:black;background:white">i ke kur
<b>na</b></span></i><b><i><span style="font-family:Garamond,serif">-šod</span></i></b><i><span style="font-family:Garamond,serif">, man diye ruz-e xoš na-didam</span></i><span style="font-family:Garamond,serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="gmail-m_4810900935495966920ydp24f6f745msolistparagraph" style="line-height:200%"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10pt;line-height:200%"> he that blind NEG-become, I anymore day-EZ happy NEG-see-1SG
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:200%"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10pt;line-height:200%"> As soon as he got blind, I had no good times.</span><span style="font-family:Garamond,serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="gmail-m_4810900935495966920ydpa53b1b4fmsolistparagraph" style="line-height:200%">2.<span style="font-size:7pt;line-height:200%"> </span><i><span lang="EN-US">das ke
<b>ne-mi-ke</b></span></i><b><i><span lang="EN-US">š</span></i></b><b><i><span lang="EN-US">-i</span></i></b><i><span lang="EN-US"> ru har</span></i><i><span lang="EN-US">č</span></i><i><span lang="EN-US">i,
x</span></i><i><span lang="EN-US">ā</span></i><i><span lang="EN-US">k-e</span></i><span style="font-family:Garamond,serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="gmail-m_4810900935495966920ydpa53b1b4fmsolistparagraph" style="line-height:200%"><span lang="EN-US"> hand that NEG-IND-touch-2SG over everything, dirty-BE.3SG</span><span style="font-family:Garamond,serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="gmail-m_4810900935495966920ydpa53b1b4fmsolistparagraph" style="line-height:200%"><span lang="EN-US"> As you touch everything, it is dirty.</span><span style="font-family:Garamond,serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:200%"><span style="font-family:Garamond,serif">I wonder if there is any other language in which the adverbial clause is negative in form but not in meaning. I searched to find some evidence or some sources which mention
this, but I was not successful. I appreciate your comments.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:200%"><span style="font-family:Garamond,serif">Best regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:200%"><span style="font-family:Garamond,serif">Mohammad <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,118,162)">Mohammad Rasekh-Mahand </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Garamond,serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,118,162)">Linguistics Department,</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Garamond,serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,118,162)">Bu-Ali Sina University, </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Garamond,serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,118,162)">Hamedan, Iran.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Garamond,serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,118,162)">Postal Code: 6517838695 </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Garamond,serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Garamond,serif"><a href="https://basu.academia.edu/MohammadRasekhmahand" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(76,118,162)">https://basu.academia.edu/MohammadRasekhmahand<br>
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