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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#44546A">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#44546A">Gafter et al 2019 discuss the current grammaticization of Hebrew 'bring' into a 'give' meaning, and DuBois and Ariel discuss the use of mostly 'put' verbs in Biblical Hebrew and
in Sakapultek Mayan for the same purpose (this one is a secret festschrift I'm happy to share if you write me personally). Neither papers discuss double-clause constructions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#44546A;background:white">How does ‘bring’ (not) change to ‘give'<span style="letter-spacing:-.15pt">? <i>Folia Linguistica </i>53: 2. 443-478. (Roey Gafter, Scott Spicer and Mira Ariel)<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#44546A;letter-spacing:-.15pt;background:white">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#44546A;letter-spacing:-.15pt;background:white">Mira Ariel</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Lingtyp [mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Gil<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 27, 2022 6:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] languages lacking a verb for 'give'<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Dear Matthew, all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Gil (2017), dealing with a range of Austronesian and non-Austronesian languages of Northwest New Guinea, discusses ways in which a language may fail to have a word for GIVE. Its
focus is on the coexpression of GIVE, DO, and a variety of other grammatical functions. For example, in Meyah (NE Bird's Head),
<i>eita </i>DO plus <i>gu</i> TO means GIVE, while <i>eita</i> DO plus <i>jeska </i>
FROM means TAKE (p.84). Similarly, in Yawa (isolate), <i>au</i> DO plus <i>to </i>
GO means GIVE (p.84)<o:p></o:p></p>
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Gil, David (2017) "Roon ve, DO/GIVE Coexpression, and Language Contact in Northwest New Guinea", in A. Schapper ed.,
<i>Contact and Substrate in the Languages of Wallacea Part 1</i>, <i>NUSA</i> 62:41-100. (<a href="http://hdl.handle.net/10108/89844">http://hdl.handle.net/10108/89844</a>)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Since writing the above paper I became aware of another way in which a language can avoid using a word for GIVE. In Papuan Malay there is a GIVE word, but the notion of giving
can also be expressed by simply leaving the GIVE word out. So for example, a sequence of three nouns, N N N, may in the right context be interpreted as "A gives G P". (No other "verb meaning" is obtainable this way.)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">David<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 27/01/2022 05:43, Matthew Dryer wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_GoBack"></a>I am sending this query on behalf of a colleague.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">He wants to know <span style="color:black">whether anyone knows of a language that lacks a "give" type verb and would express something like "I gave him the book" instead as something like "I presented the book (to him) and he took it".
That is, is there a language that can only express a give-type concept with two more analytic clauses?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Matthew Dryer<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>David Gil<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Senior Scientist (Associate)<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Department of Linguistic and Cultural Evolution<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Deutscher Platz 6, Leipzig, 04103, Germany<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Email: <a href="mailto:gil@shh.mpg.de">gil@shh.mpg.de</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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