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<span style="font-size:14.0pt">In my message of yesterday about alienables and inalienables in Hungarian, I said the distinction only showed up in the third person singular. There is, however, one exception to this: the word
<i>fiú </i>‘boy’, where the difference is present in all persons and numbers (except for the plural first person, where the two forms are the same).<br>
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fiú ‘boy’<o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:14.0pt">‘my/your/his… boyfriend’:<br>
fiú-m<br>
fiú-d<br>
fiú-ja<br>
fiú-nk<br>
fiú-tok<br>
fiú-juk<o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:14.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:14.0pt">‘my/your/his… son’:<br>
fia-m<br>
fia-d<br>
fia<br>
fi-unk<br>
fi-atok<br>
fi-uk<o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:14.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:14.0pt">Best,<br>
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Edith Moravcsik<o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Edith A Moravcsik <edith@uwm.edu><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 29, 2022 2:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Guillaume Jacques <rgyalrongskad@gmail.com>; Marie-Luise Popp <marie_luise.popp@uni-leipzig.de><br>
<b>Cc:</b> LINGTYP@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG <lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] Phonological differences of alienable vs. inalienable possession</font>
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Hello Luise,<br>
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Hungarian has a few sporadic examples of the alienable-inalienable distinction on nouns.<br>
The difference shows up only in the third-person possessive forms and it is minimal: the marker is almost the same. Examples:<br>
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ablak 'window'<br>
ablak-ja 'window of a seller'<br>
<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255); display:inline!important">ablak-a 'window of a house'</span><br>
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anyag 'material'<br>
<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255); display:inline!important">anyag-ja 'material sold by a store'</span><br>
anyag-a 'material that something is made of'<br>
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Sometimes the inalienable form shows a difference in the stem:<br>
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fi<span style="font-size:12.0pt; line-height:115%; font-family:"Courier New"">ú</span> 'boy'<br>
fi<span style="font-size:12.0pt; line-height:115%; font-family:"Courier New"">ú</span>-ja 'a girl's boyfriend'<br>
<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255); display:inline!important">fi-a 'somebody's son'</span><br>
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bir<span style="font-size:12.0pt; line-height:115%; font-family:"Courier New"">ó</span> 'judge'<br>
<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255); display:inline!important">bir</span><span style="margin:0px; font-size:12pt; line-height:18.4px; font-family:"Courier New"; background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">ó-</span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255); display:inline!important">ja
'the judge of a town'</span><br>
bir<span style="font-size:12.0pt; line-height:115%; font-family:"Courier New"">á-</span>ja 'the judge of an issue'<br>
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Best,<br>
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Edith Moravcsik<br>
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<div id="x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of Guillaume Jacques <rgyalrongskad@gmail.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 28, 2022 5:59 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Marie-Luise Popp <marie_luise.popp@uni-leipzig.de><br>
<b>Cc:</b> LINGTYP@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG <lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] Phonological differences of alienable vs. inalienable possession</font>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Marie-Luise,
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<div>In Gyalrong languages, inalienably possessed nouns have almost the same set possessive prefixes as alienably possessed ones, but present a certain number of morphological differences, see Zhang (2020, p.27++, <a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftel.archives-ouvertes.fr%2Ftel-03176380&data=04%7C01%7Cedith%40uwm.edu%7C86eb2548901949b6d3ee08d9e255b5e4%7C0bca7ac3fcb64efd89eb6de97603cf21%7C0%7C0%7C637789680793505665%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&sdata=MQJ%2FH0CtpN7e71X7R5SjS5IqRZFoMujdnz6VFeYt9Ns%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://tel.archives-ouvertes.fr/tel-03176380" shash="WKq16d8wBTpEGhBn5plhTW9ix9QfCDEQMjJRfF01iVlB/SoZS9qooN9Ko7GWvgzmNbOUyPi7nsK6Lg5kIFc82u99qfaUPIuesOwx58i0zlLS6wtS1nP9aGVaPigm/HpC+bR+xP5V1Y46ImiC3mTga2AH/L1C4ttsibnnOIzv9nU=">Le
rgyalrong situ de Brag-bar et sa contribution à la typologie de l'expression des relations spatiales : L'orientation et le mouvement associé - TEL - Thèses en ligne (archives-ouvertes.fr)</a>) on Situ and Jacques (2021: 114++ <a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flangsci-press.org%2Fcatalog%2Fbook%2F295&data=04%7C01%7Cedith%40uwm.edu%7C86eb2548901949b6d3ee08d9e255b5e4%7C0bca7ac3fcb64efd89eb6de97603cf21%7C0%7C0%7C637789680793505665%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&sdata=DMQ802ZMtQ%2Bx0mPpUrpdKP0AUgD5729rPsTCxQnxh%2Bw%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://langsci-press.org/catalog/book/295" shash="OgVNXayf4DNZ9ttlCb+LPb6HKc6Pde+XJZMIDXvtUrR4tJ0tSzC1ccwHd+wBA0ujq/JXEquaXj1kh+8nBiLXhxQrni0sPvt73pytJ/Gf941bfdCslTyMRIzF9AaxDmaVo3k6bOrtvw1fj8BDcjZ6Rp9maPc1WqYCeyJsbnRUWn4=">A
grammar of Japhug | Language Science Press (langsci-press.org)</a>) on Japhug.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_x_gmail_attr">Le ven. 28 janv. 2022 à 12:10, Marie-Luise Popp <<a href="mailto:marie_luise.popp@uni-leipzig.de">marie_luise.popp@uni-leipzig.de</a>> a écrit :<br>
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Dear all,<br>
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I'm looking for languages, in which alienable and inalienable possession <br>
is marked by the same set (or at least - phonologically similar) <br>
exponents, yet do these exponents undergo different phonological <br>
processes in alienable vs. inalienable possession.<br>
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In Ojibwe, for example, vowel hiatus is resolved via consonant <br>
epenthesis in alienable possession, but via deletion in inalienable <br>
possession.<br>
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If anyone knows of more languages of this type, I would be grateful for <br>
references and comments.<br>
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Best,<br>
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Luise (Leipzig University)<br>
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