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<p>Dear all,</p>
<p>The same phenomenon can be found with kinship terms in the Bantu
languages, where there is a cline going from full suppletion
(typically for 'father' and 'mother' with a singular possessor) at
one extreme, to the use of an independent agreeing possessive
pronoun at the other. In between, we find the use of a personal
("substitutive") pronoun instead of a possessive pronoun ("they
mother"), and possessive pronouns that lack an agreement marker
and/or are more strongly morphologically and phonologically bound
to the possessee, which can be reflected in their position in the
noun phrase.</p>
<p>You may find a brief overview and some examples in Section 5 of
the attached paper, to appear in the Oxford Guide to the Bantu
Languages.</p>
<p>All best wishes,</p>
<p>Mark<br>
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In many southern Italian 'dialects' and in Romanian the
possessive for inalienables is an enclitic marker derived from
the same etymological source as the alienable possessive e.g.
Neapolitan
<i>patemo</i> 'my father' vs <i>o cane mio </i>'my dog' -
literally 'the dog my', where both<i> mio</i> and
<i>mo </i>are reflexes, respectively tonic and atonic, of Latin
<i>meu(m). </i>There is a brief discussion with references on
pp. 755-6 of my chapter 'Determination and quantification' in
Andreas Dufter & Elisabeth Stark (eds)
<i>Manual of Romance Morphosyntax and Syntax</i>, De Gruyter,
2017.</div>
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Lingtyp <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org"><lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org></a> on
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<b>Sent:</b> 31 January 2022 8:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Marie-Luise Popp
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] Phonological differences of
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2022/01/31</span></p>
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New Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">Dear Colleague,</span></p>
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New Roman",serif" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif" lang="EN-US"> The following work
may be relevant.</span></p>
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New Roman",serif" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">Haiman, John. 1985.
<i>Natural syntax[:] Iconicity and erosion</i>. Cambridge:
Cambridge University Press.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">I don’t have an access
to this book now, but if I remember correctly, this book
discusses morphosyntactic differences between expressions
of alienable possession and those of inalienable
possession. It may discuss phonological differences as
well.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Times
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New Roman",serif" lang="EN-US">Tasaku Tsunoda</span></p>
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(Marie-Luise Popp
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<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"> Dear all,</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"> I'm looking
for languages, in which alienable and inalienable
possession
</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"> is marked by
the same set (or at least - phonologically similar)
</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"> exponents,
yet do these exponents undergo different phonological
</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"> processes in
alienable vs. inalienable possession.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"> In Ojibwe,
for example, vowel hiatus is resolved via consonant
</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"> epenthesis in
alienable possession, but via deletion in inalienable
</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"> possession.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"> If anyone
knows of more languages of this type, I would be grateful
for
</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"> references
and comments.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"> Best,</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="x_MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"> Luise
(Leipzig University)</span></p>
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