<div dir="ltr">I wonder whether some types of ideophones/mimetics might fall into this sort of classifier supercategory. In Japanese, for example, bisyllabic mimetic forms generally have the classification property described by the first syllable, and the larger spatiotemporal context described by the second (such as whether normative spatial or temporal boundaries are respected). Augmentative/diminutive consonantal shifts can tell you whether the phenomena described are bigger or smaller than the norm (so 'more' or 'less'). <div><br></div><div>Such analyses of ideophonic/mimetic systems are few and far between, so it's no wonder linguists are generally unaware of them.</div><div><br></div><div>Prof. Shoko Hamano's doctoral thesis here: <a href="https://ufdc.ufl.edu/AA00003806/00001/images/0">https://ufdc.ufl.edu/AA00003806/00001/images/0</a> </div><div><br></div><div>Jess Tauber</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 8:03 AM Östen Dahl <<a href="mailto:oesten@ling.su.se" target="_blank">oesten@ling.su.se</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I think the answer to the question depends on what you want your general-comparative linguistic semantics to look like, in particular on how much you want it to reflect how quantifiers are grouped in individual languages.
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<p>Östen, what you mention is apparently a classification from a logical point of view. Accepted.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Is it useful from the point of view of (general-comparative) linguistic semantics to take the "classical" quantifiers of predicate logic out and to group numerals together with "inexact cardinality measures"? (Note that this is a neutral, not a rhetorical
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">These should all fall under the notion of “generalized quantifiers” discussed by logicians and formal semanticists, where quantifiers are regarded as denoting sets of sets. See e.g.
<a href="https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/generalized-quantifiers/" target="_blank">https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/generalized-quantifiers/</a>.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The classification follows naturally from the logical properties of the different quantifiers. (2a) and (2b) are the “classical” quantifiers of predicate logic. (1) indicate exact cardinality measures; (2c) inexact cardinality
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<p>In some languages, numerals have the same distribution as quantifiers like 'some' or 'many'. From a functional point of view, too, for instance in view of the approximative numerals discussed last week, it makes sense to subsume the use of numerals under
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Sizing: 'many', 'several', '(a) few', ....<u></u><u></u></li></ol>
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To the extent that the above is reasonable: Any suggestions for a better terminology?<u></u><u></u></li></ol>
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