<div dir="ltr">I've studied phonosemantics in mimetic/ideophonic terms for more than 40 years. Crosslinguistically, in general, I find that in many cases initial velar stops encode the notion of DEPTH (a kind of 'potential well'- like the gravity well of a planet, a volumetric space it is difficult to climb out of, despite one's best efforts)- so clearing one's throat would have a natural connection. Lots of languages have velar stop-initial mimetic words relating to the throat (its orientation relative to the head, for example, when a dog barks it will straighten out its head, making the path from the lungs to the lips much more direct).<div><br></div><div>Jess Tauber</div></div><div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br>
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[mˈm̥m], this discussion sounds interesting! For pronunciation and translations for
<i>ahem</i>, see <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ahem" id="gmail-m_3334429135478257142gmail-m_39225101875628572LPNoLPOWALinkPreview" target="_blank">
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ahem</a> with the interlanguage links. I just added
<a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kr%C3%B6h%C3%B6m" title="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kr%C3%B6h%C3%B6m" target="_blank">
<i>kröhöm</i></a> into the Finnish entry at <a href="https://fi.wiktionary.org/wiki/ahem" id="gmail-m_3334429135478257142gmail-m_39225101875628572LPNoLPOWALinkPreview_1" target="_blank">
https://fi.wiktionary.org/wiki/ahem</a>.</div>
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<p>Dear all,<br>
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<p>Not exactly ideophones or coughing, but English has "harrumph" and "ahem" to denote a sort of fake cough intentionally produced to express disapproval and/or draw attention. (The two actually seem to differ in their status: whereas the former is kind of
a regular verb, I don't think I've ever heard "ahem" pronounced — it seems to exist only in written form.)</p>
<p>Do other languages have similar forms? </p>
<p>David</p>
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<div>On 11/03/2022 11:58, Raffaele Simone wrote:<br>
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<p><span lang="EN">Dear all, </span></p>
<p><span lang="EN">working on a paper on ideophones and their place in grammar and lexicon I happened to wonder how things are concerning cough.
</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN">Romance languages and other which I am familiar with do not seem to have a standard ideophone for it and even less a stable an accepted written version of it.
</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN">Do you know languages that have an ideophone for cough and even more a way of indicating it in writing?</span></p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Raffaele<br>
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<p>Dear all,<br>
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<p>Not exactly ideophones or coughing, but English has "harrumph" and "ahem" to denote a sort of fake cough intentionally produced to express disapproval and/or draw attention. (The two actually seem to differ in their status: whereas the former is kind of
a regular verb, I don't think I've ever heard "ahem" pronounced — it seems to exist only in written form.)</p>
<p>Do other languages have similar forms? </p>
<p>David</p>
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<div>On 11/03/2022 11:58, Raffaele Simone wrote:<br>
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<p><span lang="EN">Dear all, </span></p>
<p><span lang="EN">working on a paper on ideophones and their place in grammar and lexicon I happened to wonder how things are concerning cough.
</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN">Romance languages and other which I am familiar with do not seem to have a standard ideophone for it and even less a stable an accepted written version of it.
</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN">Do you know languages that have an ideophone for cough and even more a way of indicating it in writing?</span></p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Raffaele<br>
<span lang="EN"></span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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