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<div><span style="font-family:New;">The prosaic (non-ideophonic) words for ‘cough’ indeed have iconic association to /k/ and /o/. In Johansson et al. (2020), they find that /k/ and /o/ occur frequently in hundreds of words for ‘cough’
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<div><span style="font-family:Times;">COUGH, LUNG, SNORE and THROAT were also associated with [+round] and</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Times;">[back], but instead of /u/, the most commonly occurring cardinal sound was /o/</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Times;">represented by the cardinal sound /k/. This seems to suggest that the common</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Times;">phonetic denominator in the macro-concept PHARYNGEAL involves the back of</span></div>
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<div>Johansson, N. E., Anikin, A., Carling, G., & Holmer, A. (2020). The typology of sound symbolism: Defining macro-concepts via their semantic and phonetic features. Linguistic Typology, 24(2), 253-310.</div>
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<div>On 11 Mar 2022, 2:59 PM +0100, Giurgea Ion <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:giurgeaion@yahoo.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">giurgeaion@yahoo.com</a>>, wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">The Indo-European reconstructed root has a similar ideophonic basis - here is the entry in H. Rix (ed.,2001) Lexikon der indogermanischen Verben:</div>
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here are the translations of Korean 콜록콜록 khollok-khollok that I have retrieved from the Naver Dictionaries (<a shape="rect" href="http://dict.naver.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">dict.naver.com</a>).<br clear="none">
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Japanese ごほんごほん, こんこん. gohon-gohon, kon-kon<br clear="none">
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<p>The Hungarian counterpart of a fake cough is quite similar to the Finnish, but is usually said twice:</p>
<p><em>Köhöm-köhöm</em></p>
<p>the pronunciation is [køhøm]</p>
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<p id="ydp6a989c56yiv4890652009gmail-m_8440626258084732025ydpbcaf48dayiv7983908605reply-intro">Am 2022-03-11 14:06, schrieb Jussi Ylikoski:</p>
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[mˈm̥m], this discussion sounds interesting! For pronunciation and translations for
<em>ahem</em>, see <a shape="rect" id="ydp6a989c56yiv4890652009gmail-m_8440626258084732025ydpbcaf48dayiv7983908605v1LPNoLPOWALinkPreview" href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ahem" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ahem</a> with the interlanguage links. I just added
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<em>kröhöm</em></a> into the Finnish entry at <a shape="rect" id="ydp6a989c56yiv4890652009gmail-m_8440626258084732025ydpbcaf48dayiv7983908605v1LPNoLPOWALinkPreview_1" href="https://fi.wiktionary.org/wiki/ahem" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">
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<p>Dear all,</p>
<p>Not exactly ideophones or coughing, but English has "harrumph" and "ahem" to denote a sort of fake cough intentionally produced to express disapproval and/or draw attention. (The two actually seem to differ in their status: whereas the former is kind of
a regular verb, I don't think I've ever heard "ahem" pronounced — it seems to exist only in written form.)</p>
<p>Do other languages have similar forms? </p>
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<p><span>working on a paper on ideophones and their place in grammar and lexicon I happened to wonder how things are concerning cough.</span>
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<p><span>Romance languages and other which I am familiar with do not seem to have a standard ideophone for it and even less a stable an accepted written version of it.</span>
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<p><span>Do you know languages that have an ideophone for cough and even more a way of indicating it in writing?</span></p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
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<p>Not exactly ideophones or coughing, but English has "harrumph" and "ahem" to denote a sort of fake cough intentionally produced to express disapproval and/or draw attention. (The two actually seem to differ in their status: whereas the former is kind of
a regular verb, I don't think I've ever heard "ahem" pronounced — it seems to exist only in written form.)</p>
<p>Do other languages have similar forms? </p>
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<p><span>Dear all,</span></p>
<p><span>working on a paper on ideophones and their place in grammar and lexicon I happened to wonder how things are concerning cough.</span>
<span></span></p>
<p><span>Romance languages and other which I am familiar with do not seem to have a standard ideophone for it and even less a stable an accepted written version of it.</span>
<span></span></p>
<p><span>Do you know languages that have an ideophone for cough and even more a way of indicating it in writing?</span></p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Raffaele<br clear="none">
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