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<div class="">There’s a famous bit about this—funny although quite spurious. Quoting from the Wikipedia article about the philosopher Sidney Morgenbesser:</div>
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double negative</a> often implies a positive meaning (eg. "he is not unlike his sister"), there is no language in which a
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleonasm" title="Pleonasm" class="">double positive</a> implies a negative, Morgenbesser retorted: "Yeah, yeah.”’</div>
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<div class="">Ironically, it’s often quoted (attributed to various people) as a philosopher’s joke at the expense of linguists. But of course, the joke is really on them, especially since the fall guy was not only a philosopher, but, arguably, one of the founders
of pragmatics, which explains such things in far more plausible terms! ;)</div>
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From: Jorge Rosés Labrada <jrosesla@ualberta.ca><br class="">
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Estimad@s, prezad@s, dear everyone,<br class="">
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Is any of you familiar with a language where negation (of main clauses but<br class="">
I'll take any type of negation) is marked via reduplication? Dahl (1979:81)<br class="">
says this is a "marginal" type of negation marking and mentions only one<br class="">
language (Tabasaran, Nakh-Daghestanian) where a subset of verbs<br class="">
(trisyllabic and with a preverb) mark negation via reduplication—in this<br class="">
case, reportedly of the second syllable—and Inkelas (2012: 357) says that<br class="">
reduplication in one "of the functions that seem rarely, if ever, to be<br class="">
reduplicative in form."<br class="">
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Any suggestions would be much appreciated!<br class="">
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Best,<br class="">
Jorge<br class="">
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References:<br class="">
Dahl, Östen. 1979. “Typology of Sentence Negation.” *Linguistics* 17 (1–2):<br class="">
79–106. https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.1515%2Fling.1979.17.1-2.79&data=04%7C01%7C%7C1427b4fb40f7418dec0208da044ac4e1%7C31d7e2a5bdd8414e9e97bea998ebdfe1%7C0%7C0%7C637827016425321801%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=pf0chGuFwjypPTxzJYE5jSUAJ5OOWNvSU9ZGXLHl35E%3D&reserved=0.<br class="">
Inkelas, Sharon. 2012. “Reduplication.” In *The Morphology and Phonology of<br class="">
Exponence*, edited by Jochen Trommer, 355–79. Oxford: Oxford University<br class="">
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From: Gilles Authier <gilles.authier@gmail.com><br class="">
To: Jorge Rosés Labrada <jrosesla@ualberta.ca><br class="">
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Dear Jorge,<br class="">
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Dahl's reference needs to be nuanced using his first-hand source, most<br class="">
likely Magometov' grammar (1965, p 208) (*alakuz* 'to smear' > neg *alalakuz,<br class="">
*etc). Here an analogical process yielded apparent reduplication of the<br class="">
preverb (the negation prefix has many allomorphs, one of which ends up<br class="">
matching one of the preverbs).<br class="">
More to your point are the neighbouring (also East Caucasian but but not<br class="">
closely related) Dargwa dialects), where the *root *appears duplicated<br class="">
before the original negative prefixed form, in particular Kubachi, after<br class="">
the negation prefix underwent attrition, also described by Magometov<br class="">
(1963): *ba:q'ij* 'to do', neg. *ba:q'a:q'ij (< **b-a:q'-(a)-a:q'-ij *<br class="">
gender-do.PF-(NEG)-do.pf-INF*)*<br class="">
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This is very probably a micro-areal feature.<br class="">
GA<br class="">
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On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 5:01 PM Jorge Rosés Labrada <jrosesla@ualberta.ca><br class="">
wrote:<br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">Estimad@s, prezad@s, dear everyone,<br class="">
<br class="">
Is any of you familiar with a language where negation (of main clauses but<br class="">
I'll take any type of negation) is marked via reduplication? Dahl (1979:81)<br class="">
says this is a "marginal" type of negation marking and mentions only one<br class="">
language (Tabasaran, Nakh-Daghestanian) where a subset of verbs<br class="">
(trisyllabic and with a preverb) mark negation via reduplication—in this<br class="">
case, reportedly of the second syllable—and Inkelas (2012: 357) says that<br class="">
reduplication in one "of the functions that seem rarely, if ever, to be<br class="">
reduplicative in form."<br class="">
<br class="">
Any suggestions would be much appreciated!<br class="">
<br class="">
Best,<br class="">
Jorge<br class="">
<br class="">
References:<br class="">
Dahl, Östen. 1979. “Typology of Sentence Negation.” *Linguistics* 17<br class="">
(1–2): 79–106. https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.1515%2Fling.1979.17.1-2.79&data=04%7C01%7C%7C1427b4fb40f7418dec0208da044ac4e1%7C31d7e2a5bdd8414e9e97bea998ebdfe1%7C0%7C0%7C637827016425321801%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=pf0chGuFwjypPTxzJYE5jSUAJ5OOWNvSU9ZGXLHl35E%3D&reserved=0.<br class="">
Inkelas, Sharon. 2012. “Reduplication.” In *The Morphology and Phonology<br class="">
of Exponence*, edited by Jochen Trommer, 355–79. Oxford: Oxford<br class="">
University Press.<br class="">
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