<div dir="ltr">I have data on Santali (Munda, in Northeastern India) and Nanai (a Manchu-Tungus language with thousands of ideophones- a much larger inventory than that for Manchu itself). I'll take a gander at these tomorrow.<div><br></div><div>Jess Tauber</div></div><div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br>
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Indeed, I would never write [mˈm̥m] as <i>ahem</i><span style="font-style:normal">, but rather as </span><i>mm-hmm</i><span style="font-style:normal">.</span><div><br></div><div>Also, Japanese has <i>goho-goho</i><span style="font-style:normal"> and </span><i>koho-koho</i><span style="font-style:normal"> for “real” coughing, and </span><i>gohon</i><span style="font-style:normal"> or </span><i>kohon</i><span style="font-style:normal"> for a fake cough intended to get someone’s attention.</span> In both cases, the voicing is determined by how heavy the coughing is.</div><div><br></div><div>Tamil has <i>lokku-lokku</i><span style="font-style:normal"> for a phlegmy cough; I’ve also heard </span><i>garr burr</i><span style="font-style:normal"> for throat-clearing. I’m not sure if there is an ideophone for a dry cough.</span></div><div><br></div><div>Siva<br><div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 11 Mar 2022, at 11:06 pm, Jussi Ylikoski <<a href="mailto:jussi.ylikoski@oulu.fi" target="_blank">jussi.ylikoski@oulu.fi</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Tahoma,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Dear all,</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Tahoma,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Tahoma,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">[mˈm̥m], this discussion sounds interesting! For pronunciation and translations for<span> </span><i>ahem</i>, see<span> </span><a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ahem" id="gmail-m_2467810048582435411LPNoLPOWALinkPreview" target="_blank">https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ahem</a><span> </span>with the interlanguage links. I just added<span> </span><a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kr%C3%B6h%C3%B6m" title="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kr%C3%B6h%C3%B6m" target="_blank"><i>kröhöm</i></a><span> </span>into the Finnish entry at<span> </span><a href="https://fi.wiktionary.org/wiki/ahem" id="gmail-m_2467810048582435411LPNoLPOWALinkPreview_1" target="_blank">https://fi.wiktionary.org/wiki/ahem</a>.</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Tahoma,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Tahoma,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Best,</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Tahoma,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Tahoma,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Jussi<br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"></div><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><div id="gmail-m_2467810048582435411appendonsend" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Tahoma,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><br></div><hr style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;display:inline-block;width:629.156px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline"></span><div id="gmail-m_2467810048582435411divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt"><b>Frá:</b><span> </span>Lingtyp <<a href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>> fyrir hönd David Gil <<a href="mailto:gil@shh.mpg.de" target="_blank">gil@shh.mpg.de</a>><br><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>föstudagur, 11. mars 2022 14:47<br><b>Til:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a><span> </span><<a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>><br><b>Efni:</b><span> </span>Re: [Lingtyp] An ideophone for cough?</font><div> </div></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">Dear all,<br></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">Not exactly ideophones or coughing, but English has "harrumph" and "ahem" to denote a sort of fake cough intentionally produced to express disapproval and/or draw attention. (The two actually seem to differ in their status: whereas the former is kind of a regular verb, I don't think I've ever heard "ahem" pronounced — it seems to exist only in written form.)</div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">Do other languages have similar forms? </div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">David</div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><br></div><div>On 11/03/2022 11:58, Raffaele Simone wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"></p><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><span lang="EN">Dear all,<span> </span></span></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><span lang="EN">working on a paper on ideophones and their place in grammar and lexicon I happened to wonder how things are concerning cough.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><span lang="EN">Romance languages and other which I am familiar with do not seem to have a standard ideophone for it and even less a stable an accepted written version of it.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"><span lang="EN">Do you know languages that have an ideophone for cough and even more a way of indicating it in writing?</span></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">Thanks,</div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">Raffaele<br><span lang="EN"></span><span lang="EN-US"></span></div><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px"></p><pre cols="72">--
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