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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
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"Times New Roman"">Adam,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"">The synchronic semantic analysis
that I have proposed for Riau
Indonesian (Gil 2005, 2017, elsewhere), making reference to a
dyadic Association
Operator A (X,Y), meets your requirement of a unified analysis
for agents and
possessors; however, it overgeneralizes in that it also allows
for a variety of
other possible interpretations.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>Consider
the following examples:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"">(1)<span style="mso-tab-count:1">
</span>kaki<span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>ayam</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman""><span style="mso-tab-count:1">
</span>leg<span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>chicken</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman""><span style="mso-tab-count:1">
</span>A ( LEG, CHICKEN
)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman""><span style="mso-tab-count:1">
</span>'the chicken's
leg' </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman""><span style="mso-tab-count:1">
</span>[but also other
possible interpretations]<span style="mso-tab-count:1">
</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"">(2)<span style="mso-tab-count:1">
</span>makan<span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>ayam</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman""><span style="mso-tab-count:1">
</span>eat<span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>chicken</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman""><span style="mso-tab-count:1">
</span>A ( EAT, CHICKEN
)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman""><span style="mso-tab-count:1">
</span>'the chicken
is eating' </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman""><span style="mso-tab-count:1">
</span>[but also other
possible interpretations]</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"">In (1), A ( LEG, CHICKEN ) means
'something to do with leg
and chicken', while in (2) A ( EAT, CHICKEN ) means 'something
to do with eat
and chicken'.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>As
suggested by the proposed
translations ('the chicken's leg', 'the chicken is eating'), the
Association Operator
allows for both possessor and agent interpretations.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>However, it overgenerates,
allowing also for
various other possible interpretations involving other thematic
roles — as
indeed are available for such expressions in Riau Indonesian.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"">I would suggest that an adequate
representation of the
connection between possessors and agents (in languages that call
for it) should
be two-tiered, consisting of (a) application of the Association
Operator as in
(1) and (2) above; supplemented by (b) further more specific
representations
that hone in specifically on the analogy between possessors and
agents.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman""> </span></p>
<p class="ReferencesT"
style="margin-left:27.35pt;text-indent:-27.35pt"><span
style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"
lang="EN-US">Gil, David (2005)
"Word Order Without Syntactic Categories: How Riau Indonesian
Does
It", in <span style="color:black">A. Carnie, H. Harley and S.A.
Dooley
eds., </span><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">Verb
First: On the Syntax of
Verb-Initial Languages</i>, John Benjamins, Amsterdam,
243-263.</span></p>
<p class="ReferencesT"
style="margin-left:27.35pt;text-indent:-27.35pt"><span
style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"
lang="EN-US">Gil, David (2017)
"Isolating-Monocategorial-Associational Language", in H. Cohen
and C.
Lefebvre eds, Handbook of Categorization in Cognitive Science,
Second Edition,
Elsevier, Amsterdam, 471-510.</span></p>
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lang="EN-US">David<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/03/2022 13:28, Adam James Ross
Tallman wrote:<br>
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all,</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130">I
thought there must be sources on this - but I haven't really
found anything specific. I'm looking for sources that discuss
potential semantic links between possessors in the nominal
domain and agents (A subjects) in the verbal domain. Or just
semantic explanations for structural homologies between noun
and verb structure in general.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130">I am
aware of diachronic works that discuss the development of
verbal alignment systems from (clausal) nominalizations. For
instance, Gildea's work <i>On Reconstructing Grammar </i>gives
a good explanation as to why we might find structural
similarities between nouns and verbs for diachronic reasons
(today's verbal structures were reanalyzed from a nominalized
structure).<br>
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style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130">Generative
works, at least dating back to Chomsky's <i>Remarks, </i>explain
structural homologies between noun and verb structure based on
abstract formal schema (like X' theory).</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130">But, I
was wondering if there were works in cognitive grammar or
metaphor theory that have attempted to give a more synchronic
explanation for potential symmetries between noun and verb
phrase structure, based on the idea that noun and verb
structures might have some common schematic form - or based on
the idea that there is some metaphorical mapping between
referential and event (verby) domains. <br>
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style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace;color:#4c1130">The idea
would be that somehow possessors in the nominal (referential)
domain are at some abstract level like agents in the verbal
(event/situation?) domain (and perhaps analogies with other
arguments could be made, but those seem less obvious). Maybe
there's nothing like this, but I assumed that there must be,
given discussions of "transcategoriality" in the literature.
Any leads would be appreciated.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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<div class="gmail_default"
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Researcher <br>
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="times new roman, serif">Friedrich
Schiller Universität<br>
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