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<p>Dear all,</p>
<p>I am puzzled by the ongoing use of the term "compositionality" in
this thread. Compositionality is when two (or more) meaningful
expressions are brought together, and the meaning of the resulting
construction is derived from the meanings of the constituent
parts. I don't see how this applies here (or am I missing
something?)<br>
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<p>David<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/05/2022 19:34, Tim Bodt wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Ian,
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<div>While in standard Dutch, Flemish and Frisian this game is
commonly known by its compositional names (cf. <a
href="https://taalverhalen.be/minionderzoekje/een-open-hand-een-vuist-en-twee-vingers/"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://taalverhalen.be/minionderzoekje/een-open-hand-een-vuist-en-twee-vingers/</a>),
there was a similar game played in the Dutch East Indies
that was called by the non-compositional name <i>soeten</i>
('to<i> soet</i>', see the first page on <a
href="http://www.indischhistorisch.nl/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Anthonio_kinderspelletjes.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.indischhistorisch.nl/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Anthonio_kinderspelletjes.pdf</a>).
This name is derived from its Indonesian name <i>suwit -
suit </i>or <i>sut </i>(<a
href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suit"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suit</a>,
see also, for example, <a
href="https://www.kompasiana.com/widikurniawan/60f979c17aa97822be2a9732/cara-suit-yang-perlahan-punah-semut-gajah-manusia"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.kompasiana.com/widikurniawan/60f979c17aa97822be2a9732/cara-suit-yang-perlahan-punah-semut-gajah-manusia</a>,
also <i>gamsit</i>, <a
href="https://warisanbudaya.kemdikbud.go.id/?newdetail&detailCatat=7180"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://warisanbudaya.kemdikbud.go.id/?newdetail&detailCatat=7180</a>)<i>.</i> It
is known as <i>pingsut </i>in Javanese (<a
href="https://jv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pingsut"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://jv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pingsut</a>)
and <i>suten </i>in Sundanese (<a
href="https://su.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suten"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://su.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suten</a>).
Instead of rock, paper (or leaf) and scissors and the whole
hand (this game is literally translated as <i>batu,
gunting, kertas</i> or <i>suwit jepang</i> 'Japanese <i>suwit</i>',
<a href="https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batu_gunting_kertas"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batu_gunting_kertas</a>),
the game uses elephant, man and ant and three fingers.</div>
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<div>In using animals, I guess it is similar to the Japanese
game of <i>mushi-ken</i> (虫拳), which originated in China (<a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sansukumi-ken"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sansukumi-ken</a>).</div>
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<div>Best, Tim.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 2 May 2022 at 16:30,
JOO, Ian [Student] <<a
href="mailto:ian.joo@connect.polyu.hk"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ian.joo@connect.polyu.hk</a>>
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<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman"">Dear all,</span><br>
<br>
<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman"">I’m
making a list of non-compositional words for the
rock-paper-scissors game or similar games.</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman"">In
other words, I’m looking for words for
“rock-paper-scissors” that do not consist of words for
“rock”, “paper”, and “scissors”, or any other
meanings, such as German Schnick Schanck Schnuck, Thai
bpao ying choop, etc.</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman"">I
would much appreciate it if you could share with me
any words for this game or its kind that do not
consist of meaningful words.</span></div>
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From Korea,
<div dir="auto">Ian</div>
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