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Modification of nouns doesn't play a central role in current debates on DAM in Romance languages, though García García (2018) notes that even though DOM with bare noun direct object is infrequently attested with specifically bare plural objects under certain
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<div><span style="caret-color: rgb(34, 34, 34); color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">García, M. G. (2018). Nominal and verbal parameters in the diachrony of differential object marking in Spanish. </span><i style="font-variant-caps: inherit; caret-color: rgb(34, 34, 34); color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Diachrony
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1. differential argument marking conditioned by modification<br>
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2. Re: differential argument marking conditioned by modification<br>
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Dear typologists,<br>
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Has any of you ever seen a case of differential argument marking conditioned by whether the argument is modified (i.e. has an attributive modifier or some other adnominal dependent) or not?<br>
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I have this in Tundra Yukaghir. The story goes roughly as follows: If I want to say "I see a reindeer", "reindeer" will take the case suffix A; if I say "I see a good reindeer", "reindeer" takes the case suffix B. In both instances, the argument behaves syntactically
the same, the only difference between the two types of case forms being the presence vs. absence of an attributive modifier.<br>
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I have been wondering (a) if any of you know of similar cases in any other language, and (b) how to name and gloss the case form that is used only with modified arguments.<br>
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(I am aware that there is a similar situation in the only relative of Tundra Yukaghir, Kolyma Yukaghir, and that there have been some analyses based on these data, but that's not what I am asking about.)<br>
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Thank you for your answers!<br>
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Best,<br>
Dejan<br>
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Institut für Sprachwissenschaft<br>
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From: Daniel Ross <djross3@gmail.com><br>
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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] differential argument marking conditioned by<br>
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Dear Dejan,<br>
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In the broadest sense of differential morphosyntax for objects, one thing<br>
that comes to mind is object incorporation in polysynthetic languages,<br>
where I believe this is typical only of bare noun forms without<br>
modification (and especially where those verb+noun combinations are<br>
culturally typical). That isn't differential object marking in a<br>
traditional sense (and I think typically optional and stylistic, even for<br>
unmodified nouns), but it is a case of objects being expressed differently.<br>
I don't believe that incorporation is considered a typical feature of<br>
Yukaghir languages, but it is a feature of some neighbors, so one possible<br>
explanation for this feature might be contact? Could one the non-modified<br>
form of this be considered less typologically marked, almost as some kind<br>
of promotion? Or does the modified form seem like some kind of non-default<br>
as an exception due to being modified?<br>
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Differential object marking isn't my area of research, but my impression is<br>
that what you describe is not typical (for example, in the Romance<br>
languages).<br>
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Daniel<br>
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On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 3:02 AM <matic@uni-muenster.de> wrote:<br>
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> Dear typologists,<br>
><br>
> Has any of you ever seen a case of differential argument marking<br>
> conditioned by whether the argument is modified (i.e. has an attributive<br>
> modifier or some other adnominal dependent) or not?<br>
><br>
> I have this in Tundra Yukaghir. The story goes roughly as follows: If I<br>
> want to say "I see a reindeer", "reindeer" will take the case suffix A; if<br>
> I say "I see a good reindeer", "reindeer" takes the case suffix B. In both<br>
> instances, the argument behaves syntactically the same, the only difference<br>
> between the two types of case forms being the presence vs. absence of an<br>
> attributive modifier.<br>
><br>
> I have been wondering (a) if any of you know of similar cases in any other<br>
> language, and (b) how to name and gloss the case form that is used only<br>
> with modified arguments.<br>
><br>
> (I am aware that there is a similar situation in the only relative of<br>
> Tundra Yukaghir, Kolyma Yukaghir, and that there have been some analyses<br>
> based on these data, but that's not what I am asking about.)<br>
><br>
> Thank you for your answers!<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
> Dejan<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Prof. Dr. Dejan Matic<br>
> Institut für Sprachwissenschaft<br>
> Westfälische Wilhelms-Universität Münster<br>
> Aegidiistr. 5<br>
> 48143 Münster<br>
> Germany<br>
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