<div dir="ltr">Dear Guillaume,<div><br></div><div>Thanks a lot, this message of yours is important for my research into verbal allative markers in Old Babylonian Akkadian!</div><div><br></div><div>Is <i>translational motion </i>same as translocation motion?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Sergey</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 6 Jun 2022 at 18:56, Guillaume Jacques <<a href="mailto:rgyalrongskad@gmail.com">rgyalrongskad@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I think that any definition of a motion verb should take into account the concept of <i>associated motion</i>, about which a collective book edited by Harold Koch and Antoine Guillaume was published last year.
A. Guillaume's (2016) definition of AM is the following: "An AM marker is a grammatical morpheme that is associated with the verb and that has among its possible functions the coding of translational motion." The notion of <i>translational motion</i> seems to me useful to define motion verbs too (as opposed to motion involving part of the body, for instance). <div><br></div><div>In addition, a non-motion verb taking an associated motion marker is turned into a motion verb, so that languages with grammaticalized AM have an open class of motion verbs. <br><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Reference</div><div>Guillaume, Antoine 2016 Associated motion in South America: Typological and areal perspectives. Linguistic Typology, De Gruyter, 2016, 20 (1), ⟨10.1515/lingty-2016-0003⟩. ⟨halshs-01918336⟩</div></div><div>Guillaume, Antoine and Harold Koch 2021. Associated Motion. Berlin: Mouton de Gruyter.<br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 6 juin 2022 à 16:36, Juergen Bohnemeyer <<a href="mailto:jb77@buffalo.edu" target="_blank">jb77@buffalo.edu</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Dear Sergey — Interesting question! I don’t think there’s anything in the grammar of most languages that corresponds to or expresses the concept of ‘motion.’ <br>
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The various subclasses of motion verbs can be defined on semantic grounds: path verbs entail change of location; manner verbs describe activities of agents/effectors that can cause change of location or describe change of orientation in those same agents/effectors; transport verbs are either causative path verbs or locate an object on a carrier (‘carry on back’, ‘carry on hip’, etc.), and so on. <br>
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But there’s no overarching definition that would encompass all those subclasses, but no events that don’t involve motion. So a definition such as ’The class of all verbs of a given language that is used to describe exclusively motion events’ can at best be met disjunctively and thus doesn’t define the most “natural” concept. <br>
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The supposedly primitive concept ‘motion’ apparently just isn’t. <br>
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An important reference on the typology of motion verbs is Wälchli (2009). <br>
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HTH! — Juergen<br>
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Wälchli, B. (2009). Motion events in parallel texts: A study in primary-data typology. Habilitation thesis, University of Bern.<br>
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> On Jun 6, 2022, at 9:50 AM, Sergey Loesov <<a href="mailto:sergeloesov@gmail.com" target="_blank">sergeloesov@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Dear colleagues,<br>
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> How do we properly define the concept “motion verb”? I am especially interested in the telic variety, both transitive and intransitive ones.<br>
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> Best wishes,<br>
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> Sergey <br>
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